Posted on Jul 26, 2021
Once the COVID-19 vaccine becomes mandatory within the military, what type of separation will those refusing receive?
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This has been a topic a few of my coworkers and I have had, regarding COVID and the inevitable mandate for the vaccine within our ranks. While I understand the likelihood of the vaccine being mandatory currently, as an emergency approval, is unlikely... eventually that will not be the case and it will be mandated. What type of separation do you think those resisting will receive?
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Discharge may vary depending on individual service record. Here is a June 2021 Military Times article on what happened decades ago when some troops refused the anthrax vaccine.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2021/06/17/troops-who-refused-anthrax-vaccine-paid-a-high-price/
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2021/06/17/troops-who-refused-anthrax-vaccine-paid-a-high-price/
Troops who refused anthrax vaccine paid a high price
An unknown fraction of service members who were punished for refusing the anthrax vaccine in the late 1990s and early 2000s have sought to have their records corrected, but only a few have had success.
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SSgt Thonas Daly
Service members separated from the military for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine receive a general discharge under honorable conditions WHICH MEANS they NOT eligible for GI Bill EDUCATION benefits.
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Maj Robert Larkowski
SFC Robert Falco - Yeah things can be a bit confusing but this is an evolving situation where the info you get is not exact but this is the best science has to offer right now.
P.S. The vaccine and wearing masks works,
P.S. The vaccine and wearing masks works,
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MSgt Mike (Lobo VNV Original) Morrow
Maj Robert Larkowski - Sorry Maj., the "vaccine" is not a cure, it is a preventative that moderates the COVID symptoms.
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Maj Robert Larkowski
MSgt Mike (Lobo VNV Original) Morrow -
Maybe so but it is working to keep people alive like other vaccines that preceded it,
Maybe so but it is working to keep people alive like other vaccines that preceded it,
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It has already became quasi mandatory when commanders demand and publish policies and memos that you get it of suffer, lockdowns, loss of leave privileges, exclusion from NCOES and assorted other get or else pressure incentives. On some sites you can actually see these directives when shortsighted commander allow copies to be taken and posted. As for separations, I thing Big Army will have a hard enough time meeting retention requirements sooner if not already with the uptick of deaths in barracks, Toxic leadership running around unchecked and lack of true leadership and mentoring in the ranks. The cycle of manpower shortages is rolling around sooner than expected and any acceleration of discharges for these social experiments will just empty the ranks sooner.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
SFC (Join to see) - anyone in for a length of time can see all the "SOCIAL Experiments, SPC Manning for one, in addition for the witch hunts for right wing extremists , the new name for conservatives. Now the Military is giving GOMARS to lower and senior enlisted of the vaccine and then booting them, so yes Social experiments. The definition of what constitutes a Social Experiment is out there.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
"On Thursday, the Marine Corps said it has discharged 103 Marines so far for refusing the vaccine, and the Army said it has reprimanded more than 2,700 soldiers and will begin discharge proceedings in January. The Air Force said earlier this week that 27 airmen had been discharged for refusing the vaccine order. The Navy laid out its new discipline procedure this week and has already fired one sailor from his command job for refusing to be tested while he pursues an exemption."
"While each service has developed its own process, all are following existing rules for when a service member disobeys a lawful order. Getting thrown out of the military for refusing a vaccine has been done very rarely. But service members are routinely discharged for disobeying orders — often getting an honorable discharge or general discharge with honorable conditions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-military-troops-discharged/
"While each service has developed its own process, all are following existing rules for when a service member disobeys a lawful order. Getting thrown out of the military for refusing a vaccine has been done very rarely. But service members are routinely discharged for disobeying orders — often getting an honorable discharge or general discharge with honorable conditions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-military-troops-discharged/
Military begins discharging troops who refuse COVID-19 vaccine
As many as 20,000 unvaccinated forces risk being removed from service for refusing the vaccine.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
1SG Dennis Hicks - Definition of social experiment: "A social experiment is a type of research done in fields like psychology or sociology to see how people behave in certain situations or how they respond to particular policies or programs."
Sounds like the military for generations now huh? Where else can you take people of all ethnicities, religions, cultures, backgrounds, etc, put them together and expect them to learn to coexist with each other?
Not only that but I believe the military desegregated before the civilian world did. Integrated women and other things before society did. So it's always been a social experiment.
What does Manning have to do with this? Are you basing all of your knowledge on transgender people on that cluster fuck? "Witch hunts" for right wing extremists? Why would you even want ANY extremists in the military???? Is it anyone's fault that most conservatives ARE in the right wing extremist cult?
Sounds like the military for generations now huh? Where else can you take people of all ethnicities, religions, cultures, backgrounds, etc, put them together and expect them to learn to coexist with each other?
Not only that but I believe the military desegregated before the civilian world did. Integrated women and other things before society did. So it's always been a social experiment.
What does Manning have to do with this? Are you basing all of your knowledge on transgender people on that cluster fuck? "Witch hunts" for right wing extremists? Why would you even want ANY extremists in the military???? Is it anyone's fault that most conservatives ARE in the right wing extremist cult?
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1SG Dennis Hicks
TLDR, not in keeping with the Great Military Social Experiment that has been going on for decades, sounds like you ignored the rest of the post to virtue signal.thanks for playing.
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There will be exemptions like with everything. Let's be realistic. But if there's no legitimate reason, then they'll not be deployable. If you're not deployable, what is it 12 months, you get separated.
What's the separation code for people who don't meet standards? Probably that.
What's the separation code for people who don't meet standards? Probably that.
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SSG Gary R Peek
I know AR 635-200 covers all the codes but if memory serves me well isn’t it a separation for convenience of the Government?
Something along that line, I’d have to look it up.
Something along that line, I’d have to look it up.
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PFC (Join to see)
Hard to be realistic with a stale potato leading our country who is more interested in passing a “vaccine” that is questionable for the sake of an agenda instead of the interest of the people.
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SSgt Thonas Daly
Service members separated from the military for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine receive a general discharge under honorable conditions WHICH MEANS they NOT eligible for GI Bill EDUCATION benefits.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
SSgt Thonas Daly - Pretty sure I mentioned months ago when the Marines kicked out a Marine who refused to follow the mask mandate and gave her general under honorable. But I haven't seen for sure what people have been getting lately.
This is the most recent I found:
"On Thursday, the Marine Corps said it has discharged 103 Marines so far for refusing the vaccine, and the Army said it has reprimanded more than 2,700 soldiers and will begin discharge proceedings in January. The Air Force said earlier this week that 27 airmen had been discharged for refusing the vaccine order. The Navy laid out its new discipline procedure this week and has already fired one sailor from his command job for refusing to be tested while he pursues an exemption."
"While each service has developed its own process, all are following existing rules for when a service member disobeys a lawful order. Getting thrown out of the military for refusing a vaccine has been done very rarely. But service members are routinely discharged for disobeying orders — often getting an honorable discharge or general discharge with honorable conditions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-military-troops-discharged/
This is the most recent I found:
"On Thursday, the Marine Corps said it has discharged 103 Marines so far for refusing the vaccine, and the Army said it has reprimanded more than 2,700 soldiers and will begin discharge proceedings in January. The Air Force said earlier this week that 27 airmen had been discharged for refusing the vaccine order. The Navy laid out its new discipline procedure this week and has already fired one sailor from his command job for refusing to be tested while he pursues an exemption."
"While each service has developed its own process, all are following existing rules for when a service member disobeys a lawful order. Getting thrown out of the military for refusing a vaccine has been done very rarely. But service members are routinely discharged for disobeying orders — often getting an honorable discharge or general discharge with honorable conditions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-military-troops-discharged/
Military begins discharging troops who refuse COVID-19 vaccine
As many as 20,000 unvaccinated forces risk being removed from service for refusing the vaccine.
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