Posted on Mar 4, 2014
SFC Michael Hasbun
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I'd like to get you're thoughts on this ladies and gentlemen. Half of me is thinking "how do you come to this conclusion without interviewing and diagnosing every single military member?" but the other half of me is thinking "well this makes complete sense actually!".
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Sgt Eben Osgood
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This report is bogus. The reason why suicides have increased is not some ridiculous number of mental health cases prior to enlistment. The reason why there is an uptick in suicide rates is because our service members are being subjected to more horrifying forms of combat, very similar to what was experienced in Vietnam. Unspecified enemy combatants, unconventional tactics (IEDs), and poor ROEs. When you couple that trio with the lack of medical care that our veterans aren't receiving, then you get a scenario of a perfect storm for suicides. Now let's throw into the mix that many active duty personnel that are struggling with PTSD or TBI are given chemical concoctions and shoved right back into the situation that gave them PTSD/TBI. Now let's add that the alternative veterans and active members are turning to is drugs/alcohol dependency to cope with their trauma. So now we have unconventional, ultra-violent combat, poor treatment upon return, being shoved right back into combat, little to no treatment after separation, and drugs/alcohol. Our men and women are being set up for failure, and more then 6k are taking their lives every year, that's the population of Manistee, MI- GONE, every year.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
SFC Michael Hasbun
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I would love for it to be that simple, but my understanding is that the bulk of suicides actually come from the ranks with zero deployments.
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SPC Rebecca Lovie
SPC Rebecca Lovie
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trying to spread the word about this... I believe prayer and uplifting fellow comrades would help tremendously with the transition process... Give our soldiers this opportunity please!!! http://www.risespiritualcadence.weebly.com
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LTC Jason Strickland
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Hey, we all have our issues, flaws, and problems. Few people consider their issues so atrocious that they take their own lives. However, the military (and society) must take into consideration those that do have that perspective. The problem is that a veteran is 4x as likely to commit suicide than the rest of the population. This is an issue that must be addressed.
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CW2 Joseph Evans
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I would be curious to see what the ASVAB scores were for the high risk individuals. Were lower scores or higher scores more susceptible? Were both? Is there an indicator that can be looked for that won't require disclosure?
What about the issues of training? Rewarding behavior appropriate for conditions such as calm in non-competitive environments while rewarding aggression in high risk situations?
We all know the suicide briefs are ridiculous. I recognize that if they save just one life, they are worth it, but there has got to be a more cost/time effective way of dealing with depression/suicide than death by powerpoint.
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Sgt Eben Osgood
Sgt Eben Osgood
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Let's look at ASVAB scores in the Marine Corps, artillery has the lowest ASVAB requirement, while the average score for the infantry is actually above average (not by much, but it's there). The problem is the help that we're not receiving upon coming home/separation. In the case of the soldier that killed 20 something Afghani civilians a few years ago, he was receiving prescription drugs to cope with his PTSD, and instead of ensuring that he underwent therapy, they repeatedly shoved him right back into combat. And look what the end result was. I'm not excusing his actions, but anyone involved with pushing that soldier back into combat just to fill a personnel spot needs to be put in the hot seat as well. Another problem is how members with drug/alcohol dependency are treated during their service- I would hazard a guess that nearly every case of alcoholism and drug use is treated as a criminal behavior when the truth of the matter is that it is a mental health issue. I would never argue against punishing the user in some form, but if there is no outreach to them, then a loss of pay isn't going to be their only problem.
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CW2 Joseph Evans
CW2 Joseph Evans
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I agree, more leadership needs to be looked at. It's one of the reasons DOD put moratoriums on back to backs and required stateside dwell time before going back in.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
SFC Michael Hasbun
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SGT Osgood, I do think you bring up a good point in addressing the "mission first, suck it up" mentality..
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SPC Rebecca Lovie
SPC Rebecca Lovie
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trying to spread the word about this... No matter the ASVAB score everyone can benefit from being motivated. I believe prayer and uplifting fellow comrades would help tremendously with the transition process suicide prevention and PTSD... Give our soldiers this opportunity please!!! http://www.risespiritualcadence.weebly.com
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