Posted on May 22, 2015
Is not being considered for an officer promotion the same as being passed over?
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I was selected for promotion by the FY13 CPT ACC board. However, roughly July 16 I went into the IRR. This was 3 days before the board results were validated, so I was removed from the promotion list before promotion. The Reserves probably passed me over once while I was in the IRR around (the FY14 was probably around December of 2013) not considering that I'd ever want to drill.
The next board was (this time ) 02DEC14 thru 12DEC14 (MILPER 14-213), and I had begun drilling near the start of the year. This board file, however, listed me as being on my second look. I asked about this, but the reply from HRC took too long to get me to the right person, so I wasn't able to get an answer on whether this was correct or not before the board met.
Now I'm half a year out, awaiting the board results. However, I've been reading regulations, and it looks like I fell short of the 1-year rule since I hadn't been drilling for a whole year when that board met. It seems there was a way I could have waived that, but I'm sure that's irrelevant 6 months after the fact. If I wasn't considered for this board, will I be a double non-select? This feels like a weird policy hole since I made an arguably more competitive active duty promotion board three boards ago and haven't done anything to mess up my standing, but I've been commissioned for over 5 year and 4 months now, so I've certainly noted that my year group is approaching 2 years since their CPT promotions.
As a follow-up, I believe this means I would be discharged within 90 days of the next promotion list coming out. Am I reading that correctly as well?
The next board was (this time ) 02DEC14 thru 12DEC14 (MILPER 14-213), and I had begun drilling near the start of the year. This board file, however, listed me as being on my second look. I asked about this, but the reply from HRC took too long to get me to the right person, so I wasn't able to get an answer on whether this was correct or not before the board met.
Now I'm half a year out, awaiting the board results. However, I've been reading regulations, and it looks like I fell short of the 1-year rule since I hadn't been drilling for a whole year when that board met. It seems there was a way I could have waived that, but I'm sure that's irrelevant 6 months after the fact. If I wasn't considered for this board, will I be a double non-select? This feels like a weird policy hole since I made an arguably more competitive active duty promotion board three boards ago and haven't done anything to mess up my standing, but I've been commissioned for over 5 year and 4 months now, so I've certainly noted that my year group is approaching 2 years since their CPT promotions.
As a follow-up, I believe this means I would be discharged within 90 days of the next promotion list coming out. Am I reading that correctly as well?
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There are some "blame the Soldier" type comments here and I want to chime in to say that the process is so inexact, no amount of crossing Ts or dotting Is will help you. If career progression in the military is your primary concern, do not switch components. If there are other things in your life that are more important, do what you have to do, but understand it most likely WILL affect your military career - which may include ending your military career.
I experienced problems going from Active Duty to the Guard. I was in the process of ETSing from Active Duty. I had spent the year prior earning my teaching certificate and applying for teaching jobs. I knew that I had boarded for CPT quite some time ago, but results had not been published. This was during the time when HRC was holding board results waiting for a ruling from Big Army about a change in TIG policy. I called HRC in late spring before setting my ETS date. They told me they really didn't know and the delay could be as much as a year...but *definitely* not before OCT. As a potential teacher, I could not push ETS beyond the start of the school year and still reasonably hope for a job. I ETS'd in AUG and 36 hours later, the board results were published with my name near the very top.
It ultimately took over a year and a half for the Guard to get their act together and get all of my paperwork through. It sucked to watch all of my friends get promoted and take commands as I sat there fighting through tons of red tape. Whatever. I lost a lot of pay unrelated to my performance as an officer and watched a person who had two relief for cause OERs (for incompetence, not misconduct...if that matters to you) get promoted with the rest of my YG. These are the kinds of frustrations that are forcing some of the brightest people out...but that topic has been beaten to death.
I experienced problems going from Active Duty to the Guard. I was in the process of ETSing from Active Duty. I had spent the year prior earning my teaching certificate and applying for teaching jobs. I knew that I had boarded for CPT quite some time ago, but results had not been published. This was during the time when HRC was holding board results waiting for a ruling from Big Army about a change in TIG policy. I called HRC in late spring before setting my ETS date. They told me they really didn't know and the delay could be as much as a year...but *definitely* not before OCT. As a potential teacher, I could not push ETS beyond the start of the school year and still reasonably hope for a job. I ETS'd in AUG and 36 hours later, the board results were published with my name near the very top.
It ultimately took over a year and a half for the Guard to get their act together and get all of my paperwork through. It sucked to watch all of my friends get promoted and take commands as I sat there fighting through tons of red tape. Whatever. I lost a lot of pay unrelated to my performance as an officer and watched a person who had two relief for cause OERs (for incompetence, not misconduct...if that matters to you) get promoted with the rest of my YG. These are the kinds of frustrations that are forcing some of the brightest people out...but that topic has been beaten to death.
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This doesn't help you much now, but it might help someone else in the future...situations like yours are why it's SO important to carefully examine all sides before you make that transition. I know it would have been hard to get the answer for every possible scenario that you might not have been able to imagine at the time; however, I'm sure they could have told you if/when you'd be looked at based on the timeline and how it would affect you going forward.
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Sir, I actually spoke with HRC about the promotion before transitioning from the IRR, but they were either mistaken or I asked the wrong specific questions. For anyone who reads this, I recommend reading the entire content of AR 600-8-29 and AR 135–155. This way you'll know how to ask questions framed with specific knowledge of the regulations pertinent. I'd recommend Title 10 code too, but there are 18,506 sections, so the AR is an easier stop as it's the regulation implementing the law, thus a more specific subset.
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