Posted on Nov 25, 2020
Does command time as a 1LT count as legit Key Development Position?
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I sat in the UMR position as commander for 27 months of a 128PAX $53M equipment RFX QM Company. I have two OERs rating me as Commander and I have Assumption of Command Memo and all the pomp and circumstance that goes with that time period. This is also on my ORB.
When it comes time to submit for MAJ Board as below the zone OPT-IN will that 1LT Command Time CHECK THE BOX requirement of completing a Key Development position required for said OPT-IN packet?
I need to know this now so I can plan for it, and drop the packet to OPT-IN at 3 year TIG, and look for another command if needed. CCC competition is planned for this FY.
I'm referencing MILPER 20-050 with the expectation that process will be open to me in three years.
When it comes time to submit for MAJ Board as below the zone OPT-IN will that 1LT Command Time CHECK THE BOX requirement of completing a Key Development position required for said OPT-IN packet?
I need to know this now so I can plan for it, and drop the packet to OPT-IN at 3 year TIG, and look for another command if needed. CCC competition is planned for this FY.
I'm referencing MILPER 20-050 with the expectation that process will be open to me in three years.
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Were you a 1LT (P) while in command? if so, then yes it is O3 KD. If not, you need to command again. What is your SR telling you?
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LTC Jason Mackay
CPT (Join to see) - my information was from a LG Branch FAQ that is now behind the CAC curtain. I can't go verify. I also don't know if there is a RC loop hole. Recommend you go look at the LG and QM branch page to see what it says, they'll have the reference. I could not find a specific answer in DA PAM600-3. The reasoning was as follows:
- if you were 1LT (P) you were rated and blocked as a Captain.
-Your 1LT(P) OERs survived the masking process as you were a "CPT"
- KD credit for Co Command is enumerated in DA PAM 600-3 for all branches except non command branches (CH, JA, etc).
- Company Command, as you said, captured in two OERs, 15-18 months in Command
I had to do it twice. Not the end of the world. They moved the goal post when I was a post command CPT. I commanded an HHC in Korea for 13 months on an unaccompanied tour, standard at the time. I had two OERs due to timing. I extended 30 days to get the last month. I left Command in 1999. Rules changed while Iwas locked in for three years for AC/RC. Got told I was at risk by Branch. I was selected by branch in 2002 to command a nomination type command, the only TMDE Calibration and Repair Co in the US Army, since had its colors cased. It was one of a handful of OD commands that were designated second commands. Commanded there 24 months. Think I had three OERs. Took them on their first deployment since ODS.
- if you were 1LT (P) you were rated and blocked as a Captain.
-Your 1LT(P) OERs survived the masking process as you were a "CPT"
- KD credit for Co Command is enumerated in DA PAM 600-3 for all branches except non command branches (CH, JA, etc).
- Company Command, as you said, captured in two OERs, 15-18 months in Command
I had to do it twice. Not the end of the world. They moved the goal post when I was a post command CPT. I commanded an HHC in Korea for 13 months on an unaccompanied tour, standard at the time. I had two OERs due to timing. I extended 30 days to get the last month. I left Command in 1999. Rules changed while Iwas locked in for three years for AC/RC. Got told I was at risk by Branch. I was selected by branch in 2002 to command a nomination type command, the only TMDE Calibration and Repair Co in the US Army, since had its colors cased. It was one of a handful of OD commands that were designated second commands. Commanded there 24 months. Think I had three OERs. Took them on their first deployment since ODS.
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CPT (Join to see)
LTC Jason Mackay - Sir according to Branch Career Managers I need to start sharpening the Hari Hari knife. My 27 months was for not. I need 18-24 months in a command slot rated as a CPT.
To properly convey my reception to this information I would have to lose my professional bearing.
I've learned something at least. I know enough to ask the questions far enough ahead I can action on it. I just got CPT. If I waited 3 years to learn this I'd be screwed.
This FY CCC will be done (already scheduled), and I will continue to keep an eye out for easy commands local to me.
The difficult commands will always be there at the last moment for me, and then I could use a presumed selection to MAJ later as my exit strategy.
To properly convey my reception to this information I would have to lose my professional bearing.
I've learned something at least. I know enough to ask the questions far enough ahead I can action on it. I just got CPT. If I waited 3 years to learn this I'd be screwed.
This FY CCC will be done (already scheduled), and I will continue to keep an eye out for easy commands local to me.
The difficult commands will always be there at the last moment for me, and then I could use a presumed selection to MAJ later as my exit strategy.
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LTC Jason Mackay
CPT (Join to see) well at least you know what to do....really worse things could happen
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CPT (Join to see)
LTC Jason Mackay - I'm accepting the realization reaching LTC is more ego/ambition than practical. I'm 48 now, and two months into CPT TIG. I have to hustle to make LTC in 11 years. I give it a 1:3 chance.
We all know the numbers here. I could do a whole lot of nothing and still make MAJ and only lose a few bucks at retirement for a hell of a lot less hassle over the next 10 years.
In terms of the way it could be worse...... I shouldn't have been able to enlist, and I shouldn't have be able to commission. Less than 10 years ago a recruiter and everyone else around me was telling me it just wan't in the cards, and to take what I can get.
Now? At worst? I will retire as a MAJ (if the ACFT doesn't break me first).
We all know the numbers here. I could do a whole lot of nothing and still make MAJ and only lose a few bucks at retirement for a hell of a lot less hassle over the next 10 years.
In terms of the way it could be worse...... I shouldn't have been able to enlist, and I shouldn't have be able to commission. Less than 10 years ago a recruiter and everyone else around me was telling me it just wan't in the cards, and to take what I can get.
Now? At worst? I will retire as a MAJ (if the ACFT doesn't break me first).
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Even if that command time does not count officially, what is written in your OERs carries a lot of weight. Also look at your job, I have never had command time and the only thing that is keeping me from LTC is I am not doing ILE. I simply do not need it, clinical nurse OIC fills the need.
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CPT (Join to see)
Roger that sir. If I am to reach LTC before 60 I need below the zones that pick up 2+ years between MAJ and LTC.
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Update from Branch Careers manager. First I referenced the wrong MILPER. The correct USAR MILPER is 20-393
Next, command time as a LT does not count toward the OPT-IN below zone window for MAJ.
Don't do it folks. Just don't. You gain nothing. Being an XO will get you the same exposure and lessons learned without any of the lost parts of your ass.
Next, command time as a LT does not count toward the OPT-IN below zone window for MAJ.
Don't do it folks. Just don't. You gain nothing. Being an XO will get you the same exposure and lessons learned without any of the lost parts of your ass.
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