Posted on Feb 20, 2014
Why do some discourage enlisted personnel from pursuing a commission?
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<p> When I speak to NCO's and even some Officers about attempting to Commision, I am often asked, "why do you want to go to the dark side?" I do not understand why it is looked at so negatively that myself, or others do not want to continue a career path on the Enlisted side of the house. </p><p> </p><p> I personally believe I have talents more suited in the Officer Corps. Having Enlisted with a BA in Business Administration with a concentration in Management, and almost two years through my first contract. I am a little more qualifed to Commision than some new Undergrads fresh out of college and hot off the street. I would just like some clarification on this practice of questioning, and demeaning someones career path outlook.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p> </p><p>I see things getting a little off topic, the things being said are not affecting myself, but how is this influencing others? Acknowleding that this is happening is the first step in a possible way to correct it. Are we as leaders becoing additional barriers in our juniors careers by not fully supporting them when they seek advice, directly or indirectly? </p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p> </p><p>Since this topic is picking up steam once again, this is an informational question for future JSM's whom might be seeking guidance. I am about 60% sure I will be getting out of service after my first term (at least that's how I feel right now). Please offer your guidance for those now and in the future.
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Each person is different in thier reasoning for this. Some are very proud of thier roll in the enlisted side and that is why they would make comments like this. Others just don't want to get out of their comfort or knowledge zone so they badmouth the other side. They may have had poor officer leadership. Whatever the is reason that a person has for downgrading or badmouthing your decision, is not important. I have know quite a few enlisted with Masters Degrees and they love what they do. They would make great officers but have chosen the career path that they feel best suites them. Don't fuel the fire by arguing but turn the questions back on them for facts. What do they see are the reasons that the enlisted side is better? Why would it be a poor decision to become an officer? Don't let someone elses negativity persuade you from pursuing your career goals.
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MAJ Samuel Weber
I concur, LTC Love hit the nail on the head. Another observation that I have made is that it is a question of maturity. Not everyone who wears stripes or bars is emotionally mature enough to respect another person's goals, opinions, or beliefs. Don't let it frustrate you. See your goal, apply and achieve it.
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SPC Christopher Smith
Thank you CPT Weber and 1LT Oakley for your input, I also agree that LTC Love presented a great observation. I also accept your words of encouragement with open arms, but I must say, this post is not about me. I do have plans to attempt to commission, but this post is to help junior yet to come who are searching for answers, but don't know who or how.
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SPC Christopher all great comment but there is one thing I want you to keep in mind is that not everyone who reference it as the dark side means it in a negative way. It could just be trash talking like I do with my officer counterpart sometimes. Its like a friendly rivalry. I could see myself saying that to you but I would follow up with something like "All jokes aside that's a great career move". A I would give you all the encouragement you need. My son just graduated from the air force basic training so Ive been giving him a hard time about being in the air force but the truth is I love my son and I love the air force.
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While not popular stud, I will say what others will not. In my 23 years of service I have NEVER heard any green to gold or direct commission Soldier say they were doing it for anything other than active duty or retirement pay. That being said, someone needs to be that guy that plans mission, sits through meetings, and has little contact with the Soldiers in their charge. When approached as a young E-6 as to why I didn't drop my packet it was because I didn't want to lose my ability to be both. <br><br>NCOs have a unique ability to throw off their ACU top, throw in a dip (if they partake), curse a blue-streak, and dig a fighting position with the Soldiers. Five minutes after the position is dug, they throw the dip aside, don their ACU top, dust themselves off, and brief in the command and staff on a level commensurate with their officer counterparts. We have to be able to relate (really relate) to our Soldiers on both sides. Officers don't often have that luxury as their schedule and requirements often do not permit them to do so. <br><br>Bottom line is: If you are happy with your decision and want to go officer, go...worry not about those that say things that may be construed as not politically correct because I can assure you as a 2LT you'll certainly hear it from seniors.<br><br>I have the utmost respect for the officer corps and what they endure on a daily basis...as a CSM I too endure their pain often - but in my opinion (and we know what those are worth), the profession of arms should NEVER take pay into consideration. There are those that can bring the "knuckle-dragger" basal leadership to the table and those that cannot. You pick your direction, stick with it, and endeavor to be the best, whichever side that may be.<br><br><br>
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SPC Christopher Smith
CSM Irwin, that right there got my blood pumping this morning. Thank you for the wisdom shared. I won't lie and say that money is not one of my motivations, but the other part is something one of my Drill Sergents said to me in basic. "If you don't like the way things are being done, stay in long enough, make rank, and make the changes you think will make this Army better." I figured, I originally wanted to come in as an Officer because I qualified. If there is a way to shift over and make my run, why not.
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CSM Christopher Irwin
Go for it if that is what you want. But remember, NCOs will impact change much sooner than the officers will; that is to say at a lower level. A strong SSG will impact much more change than a LT....Being able to impact real change won't be for many years on the officer side. Good luck never the less.
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CSM Irwin, <div><br></div><div>I am going to disagree with you on one statement: that most do it for pay. I know there are more than their fair share who do make the decision based on the money and the percieved "easy ride" that Officers get. </div><div><br></div><div>That was absolutely not my reason. Was it a nice perk? Sure. However, I really wanted to get into higher level planning and management. Command was even a little lower on my priority list because it is fleeting and most certainly not the majority of an Officer's career. I just find that my personallity and talents lend themselves to a strategic-level of thinking and I knew that as a NCO, I would be relegated to more functional-level roles until I was a more Senior NCO. </div><div><br></div><div>I agree with you that NCOs have much quicker impact at a functional level. A great NCO can often stave-off the negative things that may roll downhill. They also can have a larger impact on junior Soldiers and those that they mentor through their hands on approach. Officers in the right positions can also have a tremendous impact. We have the ability to be placed into positions which allow us to a large impact which can be overaching, but it is most often not a fast impact and it may take time to roll it out. </div><div><br>I do appreciate the mentorship and advice that you are providing for SPC Smith and others who may come across this thread. This is similar to some of the thought provoking advice that many of my NCOs provided me. This kind of mentorship can be very impactful on someone who is define their path and evaluate their best option for service based on their own talents, drive, and motivation.</div>
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CSM Christopher Irwin
Sir,
Thank you for the compliment and thoughts. My retort to your first paragraph is that none of the Soldiers or NCOs that made the transition did so because they thought it was an easy ride. Every Soldier that graduates basic training is VERY familiar with how LTs are perceived and witness first hand how busy and overwhelmed their officers are.
Anyone who thinks the officer corps is an easy ride probably bid on the ocean-front property I'm selling in Kansas.
Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for the compliment and thoughts. My retort to your first paragraph is that none of the Soldiers or NCOs that made the transition did so because they thought it was an easy ride. Every Soldier that graduates basic training is VERY familiar with how LTs are perceived and witness first hand how busy and overwhelmed their officers are.
Anyone who thinks the officer corps is an easy ride probably bid on the ocean-front property I'm selling in Kansas.
Thank you for sharing.
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If you feel your skill set is better utilized in the officer corps, then don't let anything derail you. We all want to make the Army a better place than we found it. <div>I keep my SGT rank under my collar as a symbol that I will never forget where I came from. My 7 enlisted years and deployment shaped my views and made me better prepared to meet the challenges I face as an officer. I don't think everyone needs to take the same path. Some of the best officers I have worked for never did any enlisted time, just as the best NCOs I know are better left in the enlisted ranks. Sometimes you get a great NCO who becomes a better officer. Sometimes there's someone who struggled in the enlisted ranks because they were better suited to being an officer. It all depends - just listen to your gut and go with what feels right.</div><div>I don't regret my decision, sometimes I miss being an NCO, but that's always going to be the case. I am happy where I am and look forward to the future. </div>
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