Posted on May 13, 2020
Can a SSG who's on the promotion list for SFC get the promotion if said SSG only has 2 years before forced retirement?
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One of my peers in my unit is about to turn 60 in a year or two and was asking me if the Army would promote him or not. From our understanding of how it works in the Reserves is you have to hold the rank for 3 years to retire with it.
I told him I can see a few possibilities. 1) the Army wouldn't give him the promotion if he has to get out within 2 years. 2) the Army would say whatever, promote him and let him retire as a SFC. And 3) the Army would extend him an additional year if he chooses to except the promotion. I told him I'm not too knowledgeable on centralized promotions or reserve promotions but that I'd ask RP.
Thanks in advance!
I told him I can see a few possibilities. 1) the Army wouldn't give him the promotion if he has to get out within 2 years. 2) the Army would say whatever, promote him and let him retire as a SFC. And 3) the Army would extend him an additional year if he chooses to except the promotion. I told him I'm not too knowledgeable on centralized promotions or reserve promotions but that I'd ask RP.
Thanks in advance!
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He will promote and retire as a SFC; however, his retirement base rate will be determined by his high 3 years. If I understand his situation correctly, he does not incur the 36-month service obligation upon promotion to SFC because he is eligible for retirement and over 60 years old. Check out AR 600-8-19 Enlisted Promotions and Reductions paragraph 4-8.
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CPT (Join to see) thank you, I'll refer him to the AR and let him know. Thank you so much
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Right now I'm 60, if I go before the board I will be 61, and get out on my 62nd birthday. I'm told by several there's no possibility to be boarded. I'm working all avenues and approaches now to overcome the regs, and indulge the right folks.
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I know early in my career I worked for a Major promoted to LTC within a short time period. For retirement it’s based on his 0-4 pay but his ID card says LTC /0-5. If your fellow Soldier gets selected and promoted accept the promotion. Regardless of the final retirement it points that count the most. I look forward to more knowledgeable Admin folks to respond
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I am a bit out of date but this may help.
AR600-8-194–8. Service remaining requirement
a. Soldiers incur a 3-year (36-month) service obligation upon promotion to SFC, MSG, and SGM. The service remain- ing requirement begins on the effective date of promotion, unless Soldiers are in one of the following categories:
(1) Eligible for retirement based on retention control point (RCP) for the recommended grade. (2) Already eligible through prior service for a higher rank at time of retirement.
(3) Age 60 or older.
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AR 600–8–19 • 16 May 2019
b. Soldiers not having sufficient time remaining in service must reenlist or extend to meet the obligated service, or decline promotion in accordance with paragraph 1–26c. If the pin-on is delayed for administrative reasons, the service remaining requirement will begin on the original date the Soldier would have been promoted.
(1) Soldiers must meet the service remaining requirement within 30 days (RA) or 60 days (USAR) of the announced promotion effective date or be subject to removal from the recommended list.
(2) If service remaining requirement is not met; orders will be revoked.
c. Soldiers selected for promotion will be promoted on the last day of the month before being placed on the retired list if their sequence number has not been reached and they are in one of the following categories:
(1) Will complete 30 years of AFS.
(2) *********Will have reached age 60**********.
(3) Will reach the RCP while on a promotion list.
d. CDRs will advise HRC (AHRC–PDV–PE) of these Soldiers in time to allow for preparation of promotion orders
before the Soldier retires.
e. A promoted Soldier may not, at his or her own request, be reduced to terminate the required service requirement.
AR600-8-194–8. Service remaining requirement
a. Soldiers incur a 3-year (36-month) service obligation upon promotion to SFC, MSG, and SGM. The service remain- ing requirement begins on the effective date of promotion, unless Soldiers are in one of the following categories:
(1) Eligible for retirement based on retention control point (RCP) for the recommended grade. (2) Already eligible through prior service for a higher rank at time of retirement.
(3) Age 60 or older.
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AR 600–8–19 • 16 May 2019
b. Soldiers not having sufficient time remaining in service must reenlist or extend to meet the obligated service, or decline promotion in accordance with paragraph 1–26c. If the pin-on is delayed for administrative reasons, the service remaining requirement will begin on the original date the Soldier would have been promoted.
(1) Soldiers must meet the service remaining requirement within 30 days (RA) or 60 days (USAR) of the announced promotion effective date or be subject to removal from the recommended list.
(2) If service remaining requirement is not met; orders will be revoked.
c. Soldiers selected for promotion will be promoted on the last day of the month before being placed on the retired list if their sequence number has not been reached and they are in one of the following categories:
(1) Will complete 30 years of AFS.
(2) *********Will have reached age 60**********.
(3) Will reach the RCP while on a promotion list.
d. CDRs will advise HRC (AHRC–PDV–PE) of these Soldiers in time to allow for preparation of promotion orders
before the Soldier retires.
e. A promoted Soldier may not, at his or her own request, be reduced to terminate the required service requirement.
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I was informed today I was too old to be reviewed by the board. I'm 60 now and by the time the board sees my ERB ARB I will be 61. I'm told the new regulation is 57 years of age max, with three years remaining. I'm filling through the G1 and the Inspector general for guidance and a possible ETP. The regulations conflict each other repeatedly, the new regulation also states no waivers are allowed.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
SSG(P) (Join to see) - Like many regulations there are blind spots as the authors couldn't think about ever issue. There is always an exception the problem is finding it and getting someone with the starch to sign it and defend it.
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SERVICE OBLIGATION FOR CENTRALIZED PROMOTIONS SFC THRU SGM
Issued: [30 Apr 12]…
A. HQDA MEMORANDUM (SAMR), SUBJECT: ENLISTED PERSONNEL POLICIES IN SUPPORT OF THE ARMY LEADER DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY (ALDS), DATED 25 FEBRUARY 2011.
B. ARMY REGULATION 600-8-19, ENLISTED PROMOTIONS AND REDUCTIONS, 30 APRIL 2010, RAR DATED 27 DECEMBER 2011.
1. THIS MILPER MESSAGE WILL EXPIRE WHEN SUPERSEDED OR RESCINDED.
2. THIS MESSAGE APPLIES TO AR 600-8-19, CHAPTER 4, PARAGRAPH 4-8, SERVICE OBLIGATION FOR CENTRALIZED PROMOTIONS (SERGEANT FIRST CLASS, MASTER SERGEANT, AND SERGEANT MAJOR) FOR THE ACTIVE ARMY AND UNITED STATES ARMY RESERVE ACTIVE GUARD RESERVE (USAR AGR).
3. SOLDIERS PROMOTED TO SFC, MSG, AND SGM WILL INCUR A 3-YEAR (36 MONTH) SERVICE OBLIGATION. THE SERVICE OBLIGATION WILL BE FROM THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF PROMOTION, UNLESS SOLDIERS ARE IN ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES:
A. ELIGIBLE FOR RETIREMENT BASED ON RCP FOR THE RECOMMENDED GRADE.
B. ALREADY ELIGIBLE THROUGH PRIOR SERVICE FOR A HIGHER GRADE AT TIME OF RETIREMENT.
C. AGE 62 OR OLDER.
4. SERVICE OBLIGATION WILL BEGIN ON THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF PROMOTION. SOLDIERS NOT HAVING SUFFICENT TIME REMAINING MUST REENLIST OR DECLINE PROMOTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH PARAGRAPH 1-24, OF AR 600-8-19. IF THE PROMOTION IS DELAYED FOR ADMINISTRATIVE REASONS, THE SERVICE OBLIGATION WILL BEGIN ON THE ORIGINAL DATE THE SOLDIER WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN PROMOTED.
5. SOLDIERS SELECTED FOR PROMOTION WILL BE PROMOTED ON THE LAST DAY OF THE MONTH BEFORE BEING PLACED ON THE RETIRED LIST IF THEIR SEQUENCE NUMBER HAS NOT BEEN REACHED AND THEY ARE IN ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES:
A. WILL COMPLETE 32 YEARS OF AFS.
B. WILL HAVE REACHED AGE 62.
C. WILL REACH THE PROMOTABLE RCP WHILE ON A PROMOTION LIST.
6. CDRS WILL ADVISE HRC (AHRC-PDV-PE) OF THESE SOLDIERS IN TIME TO ALLOW FOR PREPARATION OF PROMOTION ORDERS BEFORE THE SOLDIER RETIRES.
7. A PROMOTED SOLDIER MAY NOT, AT HIS OR HER OWN REQUEST, BE REDUCED TO TERMINATE THE REQUIRED SERVICE OBLIGATION.
8. SOLDIERS HAVE UNTIL THE END OF THE PROMOTION MONTH (30 DAYS) TO REENLIST TO MEET THE SERVICE OBLIGATION. SOLDIERS WHO FAIL TO MEET THE SERVICE OBLIGATION WILL BE ADMINISTRATIVELY REMOVED FROM THE PROMOTION STANDING LIST. SOLDIERS ADMINISTRATIVELY REMOVED WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR REINSTATEMENT.
9. THE ABOVE INFORMATION MUST BE DISSEMINATED PROMPTLY TO ALL LEVELS OF COMMAND, S-1/MPD/MIL HR OFFICE PERSONNEL AND ALL ELIGIBLE SOLDIERS.
10. POINT OF CONTACT FOR THIS MESSAGE IS SENIOR ENLISTED PROMOTIONS: COMMERCIAL [login to see] , DSN 983-9014 OR USARMY.KNOX.HRC.MBX.TAG
Issued: [30 Apr 12]…
A. HQDA MEMORANDUM (SAMR), SUBJECT: ENLISTED PERSONNEL POLICIES IN SUPPORT OF THE ARMY LEADER DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY (ALDS), DATED 25 FEBRUARY 2011.
B. ARMY REGULATION 600-8-19, ENLISTED PROMOTIONS AND REDUCTIONS, 30 APRIL 2010, RAR DATED 27 DECEMBER 2011.
1. THIS MILPER MESSAGE WILL EXPIRE WHEN SUPERSEDED OR RESCINDED.
2. THIS MESSAGE APPLIES TO AR 600-8-19, CHAPTER 4, PARAGRAPH 4-8, SERVICE OBLIGATION FOR CENTRALIZED PROMOTIONS (SERGEANT FIRST CLASS, MASTER SERGEANT, AND SERGEANT MAJOR) FOR THE ACTIVE ARMY AND UNITED STATES ARMY RESERVE ACTIVE GUARD RESERVE (USAR AGR).
3. SOLDIERS PROMOTED TO SFC, MSG, AND SGM WILL INCUR A 3-YEAR (36 MONTH) SERVICE OBLIGATION. THE SERVICE OBLIGATION WILL BE FROM THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF PROMOTION, UNLESS SOLDIERS ARE IN ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES:
A. ELIGIBLE FOR RETIREMENT BASED ON RCP FOR THE RECOMMENDED GRADE.
B. ALREADY ELIGIBLE THROUGH PRIOR SERVICE FOR A HIGHER GRADE AT TIME OF RETIREMENT.
C. AGE 62 OR OLDER.
4. SERVICE OBLIGATION WILL BEGIN ON THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF PROMOTION. SOLDIERS NOT HAVING SUFFICENT TIME REMAINING MUST REENLIST OR DECLINE PROMOTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH PARAGRAPH 1-24, OF AR 600-8-19. IF THE PROMOTION IS DELAYED FOR ADMINISTRATIVE REASONS, THE SERVICE OBLIGATION WILL BEGIN ON THE ORIGINAL DATE THE SOLDIER WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN PROMOTED.
5. SOLDIERS SELECTED FOR PROMOTION WILL BE PROMOTED ON THE LAST DAY OF THE MONTH BEFORE BEING PLACED ON THE RETIRED LIST IF THEIR SEQUENCE NUMBER HAS NOT BEEN REACHED AND THEY ARE IN ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES:
A. WILL COMPLETE 32 YEARS OF AFS.
B. WILL HAVE REACHED AGE 62.
C. WILL REACH THE PROMOTABLE RCP WHILE ON A PROMOTION LIST.
6. CDRS WILL ADVISE HRC (AHRC-PDV-PE) OF THESE SOLDIERS IN TIME TO ALLOW FOR PREPARATION OF PROMOTION ORDERS BEFORE THE SOLDIER RETIRES.
7. A PROMOTED SOLDIER MAY NOT, AT HIS OR HER OWN REQUEST, BE REDUCED TO TERMINATE THE REQUIRED SERVICE OBLIGATION.
8. SOLDIERS HAVE UNTIL THE END OF THE PROMOTION MONTH (30 DAYS) TO REENLIST TO MEET THE SERVICE OBLIGATION. SOLDIERS WHO FAIL TO MEET THE SERVICE OBLIGATION WILL BE ADMINISTRATIVELY REMOVED FROM THE PROMOTION STANDING LIST. SOLDIERS ADMINISTRATIVELY REMOVED WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR REINSTATEMENT.
9. THE ABOVE INFORMATION MUST BE DISSEMINATED PROMPTLY TO ALL LEVELS OF COMMAND, S-1/MPD/MIL HR OFFICE PERSONNEL AND ALL ELIGIBLE SOLDIERS.
10. POINT OF CONTACT FOR THIS MESSAGE IS SENIOR ENLISTED PROMOTIONS: COMMERCIAL [login to see] , DSN 983-9014 OR USARMY.KNOX.HRC.MBX.TAG
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Final review this week from Pentagon on appeal for promotion. Not possible and denied based on my age and they will not do a records correction. I asked for a honorary promotion based on my service and completion of NCODP. They said flatly NO! I'm now being accepted to different posting with the California National Guard and will be promoted as of last month. The struggle continues...also still fighting to get my retirement pay after 10 months (retired in Jan) and still no pay.
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