Posted on Nov 22, 2019
Should this President, or any President, be allowed to pardon military personal convicted of murder?
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I find it disturbing that a service member convicted of murder can be acquitted bay a president. It violates the UCMJ. Am I wrong?
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He wasn't convicted of murder, he was convicted of posing with a corpse. It also doesn't violate the UCMJ, as the President is the Commander in Chief, the UCMJ supports his right to overrule subordinate Commanders. Other Commanders have overruled their subordinate Commanders numerous times before, and will continue to be authorized to if they feel the subordinate commander judged incorrectly. A semi recent example was an Air Force who commander who overturned a sexual assault conviction.
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Capt Gregory Prickett good point, I thought he was talking about Gallagher since that's what everyone on here has been talking about all week.
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Sgt Ivan Boatwright
It is possible I misunderstood one point, he did murder one or two young girls but he charges were reduced to the picture.
Another scout Sargent from D-2_12 was pulled from the field in late 65 or early 66. I am quoting second hand but the story told to me was that he cracked up and was calling missions on anything that moved. Humans, animals, etc were fair game.
Another friend, ( I personally talked to him) I had gone through boot camp with left just as I decided to extend and he helped me decide to extend. He was broken, picking up a puppy by the leg to listen to it cry. I watch and listened as he squatted down in his skivvy shorts with the stare that tells you he is lost in another place. Among his stories he told me was the one where his unit had been attacked. He looked up to see a woman with a Thompson submachine gun aimed at him. He froze because she was a woman. Her gun jammed, he fired killing her with his M-14. Anyone can crack up at any time. It could be Gallagher had seen and done too much.
Another scout Sargent from D-2_12 was pulled from the field in late 65 or early 66. I am quoting second hand but the story told to me was that he cracked up and was calling missions on anything that moved. Humans, animals, etc were fair game.
Another friend, ( I personally talked to him) I had gone through boot camp with left just as I decided to extend and he helped me decide to extend. He was broken, picking up a puppy by the leg to listen to it cry. I watch and listened as he squatted down in his skivvy shorts with the stare that tells you he is lost in another place. Among his stories he told me was the one where his unit had been attacked. He looked up to see a woman with a Thompson submachine gun aimed at him. He froze because she was a woman. Her gun jammed, he fired killing her with his M-14. Anyone can crack up at any time. It could be Gallagher had seen and done too much.
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I find that the pardons were justified. As anyone that is in combat will tell you, if you have to second guess whether to shoot or not, most of the time it is too late. As to posing with deceased enemy, or even urinating on them, it is not right, but I question the members taking this to the press. It used to be unit integrity, but in the days of social media, it seems everyone wants to get their 15 minutes of fame at the expense of their team.
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CSM Thomas Ray
Capt Gregory Prickett - Not sure if you have ever served in combat, meaning up close and personal not just in combat zone, but things happen in the heat of battle that are probably not going to be viewed as right. The suspected bomber had been identified previously. Gallagher was posed with a dead combatant, something that has been done common place in previous wars, (not saying it is right). The two named Afghans were trying to escape on a motorcycle and yes the platoon testified they were unarmed.
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CSM Thomas Ray
Capt Gregory Prickett - This is per witness account that was watching from a bird in the sky: “I saw three fighting-aged males shadowing the American patrol at a distance of about 300 meters,” Huber wrote in Lorance’s new court petition that will be presented to the civilian court. “In my experience, they had every indication of Taliban or insurgent fighters because they were armed with AK-47 assault rifles and using ICOM radios while moving along the back wall of the village toward the American position.” they disposed of their weapons before coming under fire.
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Oh boy! I hate stupid questions and closed minds. I believe the schools systems doesn't teach the Constitution anymore. You are dead wrong and the UCMJ is not always right which there is an appeal process which Presidential Pardons is the absolute authority.
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Sgt Ivan Boatwright
The UCMJ is not always correct, nor are the laws of each state. They are there to maintain control and command. Without some sort of law, chaos is in charge. A great example is the white house. No control, no law, just a wanna-be dictator. Results, our entire country is in chaos, while law is ignored.
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