Posted on Feb 24, 2015
USAF Force distribution: Does it seem too "hard" or "harsh"?
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In a recent article for AFSA CMSAF Cody outlined the force distribution numbers that will be in effect starting with SMSgts this year (July 15). The breakdown was for SrA/SSgt/TSgt 5% would receive "Promote Now" (highest rating), 15% would receive "Must Promote" with no limit on the other 3 recommendations. For MSgts 10% will be stratified and 20% of SMSgt will be stratified.
My Question is does this seem too "hard" or "harsh"?
My Question is does this seem too "hard" or "harsh"?
Posted 10 y ago
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Seeing the APR, then the EPR system and the promises that "this system won't become inflated" during my 24 years, I see it difficult to truly reach those percentages effectively. Oh sure, the percentages will be reached - I've just seen too many people rated up under the "Whole Person Concept" while others managed their responsibilities in the duty section.
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MSgt Jim Pollock
Wish I could plus this up a hundred times. It always drove me nuts that duty performance was just another equally weighted factor among other "whole person" factors.
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In my career field, I value the guy who is always at work, ready to work far more than the one who volunteers for everything and is never there. I feel like we've been doing more with less and it's hard for me to push ppl to do extracurricular activities when they're doing more work, working longer hours, and deploying more often. Just my 2 cents.
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CMSgt (Join to see)
MSgt Clute....my 2 cents is there are a lot of folks who like to say they work too long hours etc to volunteer....at the same time I see them playing video games on their time off, out partying etc....it doesn't take much to spend a couple hours 1 day to volunteer in the community/base.....I work plenty of hours, take classes, have a family and can still get out and volunteer....I even recruited my family to go along with me to volunteer at times so we can spend time together and give back so it's not like sacrificing family time to do it....all I'm saying is there are ways to git'er done....I don't care for the career volunteers either so I see what you are saying about those that volunteer for everything....
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TSgt (Join to see)
SMSgt Steve Pecht, I understand what you are saying, I truly do. There is always a way to get it done, but that will always come at the expense of something with family. Just one situation I deal with (volunteering) is a dual military couple, both going to school, and raising/managing 3 children with daily homework/projects, maintaing a household and family time. They literally have 0 time to compete with other members volunteer time. I don't believe volunteering should hold as much weight as it currently does.Members like this do a wonderful job in today's Air Force (at least mine do) and should not have to take a "penalty". Just my 2 cents. After all, according to CMSAF Rodney McKinley " Service before self does not mean you stop taking care of your families. Our families are a critical element of the Air Force family. Our service should enhance their health, morale and welfare – not take away from it."
Reference: http://secure.afa.org/EdOp/2009/Service_Before_Self_Perspective%20_17%20Feb%2009_.pdf
Reference: http://secure.afa.org/EdOp/2009/Service_Before_Self_Perspective%20_17%20Feb%2009_.pdf
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I'll believe it works when I see it. They did this, numbers of 5's, 4's 3's etc allowed to be given, back in 94 and it did not work. The stratification became political rather than merit based. Comments were made along the lines of " I just used up my 10%, 20% (or whatever the % was) and now I can't stratify someone who deserves it." "How can I not give my 1st Sgt, Squadron Supt, Group Supt, etc a stratification." Unless strict guidelines are issued and followed this is going to be interesting to observe. Much like herding cats.
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Lt Col (Join to see)
Well, we're acting like our commanders have never stratified people before. All officer promotions are based on stratifications. And we, to, often PCS right before the promotion recommendation is made, leaving a new commander to figure out where we fit into his already-decided stratifications.
On the plus side, an enlisted troop realistically has several chances at each promotion, whereas an officer is really one and done.
On the plus side, an enlisted troop realistically has several chances at each promotion, whereas an officer is really one and done.
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SMSgt Bryan Raines
Lt Col (Join to see) Well sir it is not the commanders per say but the promotion system didn't do so hot in the past with enlisted stratification so thus the concern. Also unless things have changed greatly the officer OPR or whatever it is called now was designed for that purpose. In addition if you don't get promoted to the SNCO ranks the first couple of times you are pretty much done. I am curious though, for Lt and Capt unless you really screwed up you were going to get promoted. Major was about 3 or 4 chances then after that you had basically 2 chances at Lt. Col and Col depending on your career field. What is the process now?
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Lt Col (Join to see)
Oh, no. If you don't make captain, you have really screwed something up. The promotion rate to major is actually fairly high (92% last year), but the promotion rate for guys passed over on their first attempt is essentially zero. Technically four shots at LtCol, but that's because the really fast burners can get promoted up to two years below the in-zone promotion year. Not many people are even considered for that, and most who are considered don't make it. Then there's one below...slightly less competitive, but still a small number. Then in-promotion zone (IPZ). The numbers there are roughly 70% to Lt Col. Miss IPZ, and again, while you can technically be considered on future boards, the reality is you are done being promoted.
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