Posted on Feb 23, 2015
Why have more of our generation not joined the VFW?
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I was lucky that my Uncle who is a Korean and Vietnam War Veteran signed me up right after I returned from Desert Shield/Desert Storm...It was very humbling to me to see our Older Generation continuing to serve their community. After Reading the COS yearly letter a few weeks ago...My question to everyone here what are you doing to continue serving your community as on Active duty, a Reservist or a National Guard SM, Veteran or Retiree...nor what branch of military service we are all Brothers and Sisters under one flag...
You can take this as call to Service...it is time for our Generation to step up and take up the reins and help make the VFW even greater than what it is now...
This is my Challenge to you...
You can take this as call to Service...it is time for our Generation to step up and take up the reins and help make the VFW even greater than what it is now...
This is my Challenge to you...
Posted 10 y ago
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I am a life member of the VFW because I know some of my dues go to advocate for veterans. I am however an At-Large member despite the presence of a local VFW hall because, quite frankly, there's nothing drawing me there.
It is a great repository of anecdotal military history, but as a fraternal organization, the VFW has failed to adapt to the the most current generation of combat zone veterans.
It is a great repository of anecdotal military history, but as a fraternal organization, the VFW has failed to adapt to the the most current generation of combat zone veterans.
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CPL Brian Clouser
CW3 Guy Snodgrass - I have the same problem at my former Post I said former because it was so bad that I was force to transfer my life membership to a Member at Large. I have been ask to come back and to run for office but until the back stabbing stop and some changes are made I will same as I am now
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CW3 Guy Snodgrass
Yeah its pretty bad. There is another one close, but just don't see the need to get mixed up in all of that any more. I still help/work with vets as much as I can, just not with the VFW. I haven't check out the American Legion, may be I should.
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LTC (Join to see)
Unfortunately what you are experiencing is present in many VFWs a few have embraced the contemporary echelon but many others would rather see the organization disappear than chance from warm beer and big band music.
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LTC (Join to see)
I've never felt drawn to it, but then I am still a drilling reservist and have been for 31 years.
For community service I am an active Rotarian, and just prefer the balance of social events, camaraderie and most important to me, INTERNATIONAL as well as community service. I am very proud that Rotary has wiped out Polio in all but two countries. My Rotary club in particular has sent shelter boxes (emergency food and shelter for 10 people) to Japan and Haiti as well as domestically where needed in the United States. We send local kids to college who couldn't otherwise afford it, and help at-risk youth with programs and job training and connect young adults who age out of the foster care system with training and jobs.
I am every bit as proud of Rotary service as I am of my military service, and like my brothers and sisters in arms, I have similar connections to my brothers and sisters in Rotary, only on a world-wide level. I've also found in the two Rotary clubs to which I've belonged over the last seven years a good number of like-minded veterans.
For community service I am an active Rotarian, and just prefer the balance of social events, camaraderie and most important to me, INTERNATIONAL as well as community service. I am very proud that Rotary has wiped out Polio in all but two countries. My Rotary club in particular has sent shelter boxes (emergency food and shelter for 10 people) to Japan and Haiti as well as domestically where needed in the United States. We send local kids to college who couldn't otherwise afford it, and help at-risk youth with programs and job training and connect young adults who age out of the foster care system with training and jobs.
I am every bit as proud of Rotary service as I am of my military service, and like my brothers and sisters in arms, I have similar connections to my brothers and sisters in Rotary, only on a world-wide level. I've also found in the two Rotary clubs to which I've belonged over the last seven years a good number of like-minded veterans.
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I did try to joint a VFW when I first got out back in 1992 and was told I'd need to join the women's auxiliary. I asked if the women's auxiliary was made up of female veterans and was told that's what the wives of veterans joined. Needless to say, I still hold a grudge.
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1SG Antwan Nicholson
I'm sorry you had to endure that slight. I would still hold a grudge also. You haven't been back since then?
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SFC (Join to see)
Some people an not well informed. I just went to the National VFW conference this past July and we had a historic vote to change the Ladie's Auxiliary to just the Auxiliary, so now male family members can join, too. I hope you change your mind and join the VFW. I love being a member of my VFW.
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LTC (Join to see)
The VFW Ladies Auxiliary has just been opened up to men. You don't have to be a spouse; you can be a son daughter or other close relative of a person who is/was eligible to join the VFW. The regular VFW and Legion are both open to women vets who meet the qualifications. There are quite a few in my area and women are very welcome there. I think a few posts could still be chauvinistic.
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SGT Cody Skinner
My Wife has the same issue. She is a Lifetime Member of our Post, yet they continue to try to push her into the Woman Auxiliary. It has left a bad taste in her mouth for it.
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Hello "Brothers and Sisters in Arms",
I apologize now this will likely be a long post.
VSOs in general have a uphill battle against the current culture of our nation. VSOs were largely founded on an all but gone community culture that many veterans of previous conflict/wars shared. This is the reason most VSOs need to make changes to accommodate younger veterans, the old ways need to change with the culture.
Before I joined my local VFW almost 2 years ago, I did some research on the current status of VSOs and how they were fairing in the current national culture. What I found very quickly is that most if not all VSOs were shrinking in overall membership and many post were closing due to low membership and low activity.
I’ll give you a brief background about me to show you my prospective. I served 18 years US Army – Medical Discharged for lower back injury in the line of duty, 30% disability rating from VA, BA in Business Admin. – Marketing, MA in Business and Organizational Security Management.
I moved from Southern California to North Idaho in April of 2013. During that long drive I made a decision to be part of the community I live in rather than just live in the community. I decided months later to join the VFW in my community. So I looked up the nearest post and found via the website when there post meeting were. So I show up and as soon as I walk in the door, everyone in the room turns and looks at me. One of the members asked “Are you a member?” I replied “not yet”. I quickly got a reply “you cannot come in; this is a members only meeting”. I turned and left the room, a membered followed me out and gave me quick explanation why I was not allowed to attend and that he did not have time to see to making me a member right now. There were only about 10 members in the room and only one of them was below the age of 50. I came back on another day and paid my dues and became a “card carrying member”. From there I attend most of the VFW functions and quickly became a “pain in the arse” to many of the older members, with my new ideas and spitfire attitude.
Looking back I understand that many posts will come off with the good ol’ boy attitude, but sticking with it will often times overcome that built in culture. I also found that when I gave an idea that I needed to back it up with action and reap the respect from its success. Over the last 19 months, I have been given enough rope to hang myself and instead used that rope to make a bridge between the post and our community. Here are some of the new things our post has done in the last 18 months and the out comes from those events:
Hosted a Game convention in alliance with our local Game store
60 people attended and the event made the front page of the paper.
The post made over $18,000 dollars in donations and donated over $18,000 to veterans in our community. There were no 30% costs or administration fees put on this money. Every dime we were donated went back to the veterans in our community.
We supported Women Warrior Retreat and recruited several female veterans.
We planned and will hold our first Veteran Family Retreat this weekend, in hopes of making it an annual event.
From these events and activities I have learned that activity breeds activity. The older the average age of a post is the more difficult it will be to stay activity in the community. So recruiting members is and will always be the life blood of VSOs. If you are not getting new “younger” members, your post is effectively dying a slow death. As you all know many posts have a bar that at one point in time with the “best watering hole in town”. That watering hole is now all dried up! The younger veterans that would be considered the market for VSOs are in the stage of their life that they have kids and jobs, alcohol though legal is not the preferred method of building loyalty with a veteran family. In my opinion the posts that perpetuation the stereo typical of veterans wasting their days away drinking and smoking at the “Watering hole” is doing more damage to VSOs than anything else. VSOs must be active in their community or they will waste away.
Some of the ways a post can be active in its community are: providing a Veteran Family Retreat, putting on a month Family movie night, have a weekly coffee and donut (free) where all veterans are welcome. This is just a few ways to move in the right direction, I’m sure there are many more. I would enjoy hearing about them.
Since joining the VFW, I have been placed/voted into several positions: Post Jr Vice, Post Sr Vice, District QM and District Chief Recruiter, I also attended the state conventions, I decided to focus on my community rather than focus on trying to move up the chairs in district. As many of you know VSOs are a bureaucracy and that means “Red Tape” and paper work. After holding the positions, I understand the need for the paper work. My goal is to change my community’s view of the VFW and provide for the veterans in my community. VSOs are a community based organization and that being said they add value to their community or they will go away.
Thank you for taking the time to read this lengthy post and if you are in need of direction when it comes to a VSO please feel free to contact me.
I apologize now this will likely be a long post.
VSOs in general have a uphill battle against the current culture of our nation. VSOs were largely founded on an all but gone community culture that many veterans of previous conflict/wars shared. This is the reason most VSOs need to make changes to accommodate younger veterans, the old ways need to change with the culture.
Before I joined my local VFW almost 2 years ago, I did some research on the current status of VSOs and how they were fairing in the current national culture. What I found very quickly is that most if not all VSOs were shrinking in overall membership and many post were closing due to low membership and low activity.
I’ll give you a brief background about me to show you my prospective. I served 18 years US Army – Medical Discharged for lower back injury in the line of duty, 30% disability rating from VA, BA in Business Admin. – Marketing, MA in Business and Organizational Security Management.
I moved from Southern California to North Idaho in April of 2013. During that long drive I made a decision to be part of the community I live in rather than just live in the community. I decided months later to join the VFW in my community. So I looked up the nearest post and found via the website when there post meeting were. So I show up and as soon as I walk in the door, everyone in the room turns and looks at me. One of the members asked “Are you a member?” I replied “not yet”. I quickly got a reply “you cannot come in; this is a members only meeting”. I turned and left the room, a membered followed me out and gave me quick explanation why I was not allowed to attend and that he did not have time to see to making me a member right now. There were only about 10 members in the room and only one of them was below the age of 50. I came back on another day and paid my dues and became a “card carrying member”. From there I attend most of the VFW functions and quickly became a “pain in the arse” to many of the older members, with my new ideas and spitfire attitude.
Looking back I understand that many posts will come off with the good ol’ boy attitude, but sticking with it will often times overcome that built in culture. I also found that when I gave an idea that I needed to back it up with action and reap the respect from its success. Over the last 19 months, I have been given enough rope to hang myself and instead used that rope to make a bridge between the post and our community. Here are some of the new things our post has done in the last 18 months and the out comes from those events:
Hosted a Game convention in alliance with our local Game store
60 people attended and the event made the front page of the paper.
The post made over $18,000 dollars in donations and donated over $18,000 to veterans in our community. There were no 30% costs or administration fees put on this money. Every dime we were donated went back to the veterans in our community.
We supported Women Warrior Retreat and recruited several female veterans.
We planned and will hold our first Veteran Family Retreat this weekend, in hopes of making it an annual event.
From these events and activities I have learned that activity breeds activity. The older the average age of a post is the more difficult it will be to stay activity in the community. So recruiting members is and will always be the life blood of VSOs. If you are not getting new “younger” members, your post is effectively dying a slow death. As you all know many posts have a bar that at one point in time with the “best watering hole in town”. That watering hole is now all dried up! The younger veterans that would be considered the market for VSOs are in the stage of their life that they have kids and jobs, alcohol though legal is not the preferred method of building loyalty with a veteran family. In my opinion the posts that perpetuation the stereo typical of veterans wasting their days away drinking and smoking at the “Watering hole” is doing more damage to VSOs than anything else. VSOs must be active in their community or they will waste away.
Some of the ways a post can be active in its community are: providing a Veteran Family Retreat, putting on a month Family movie night, have a weekly coffee and donut (free) where all veterans are welcome. This is just a few ways to move in the right direction, I’m sure there are many more. I would enjoy hearing about them.
Since joining the VFW, I have been placed/voted into several positions: Post Jr Vice, Post Sr Vice, District QM and District Chief Recruiter, I also attended the state conventions, I decided to focus on my community rather than focus on trying to move up the chairs in district. As many of you know VSOs are a bureaucracy and that means “Red Tape” and paper work. After holding the positions, I understand the need for the paper work. My goal is to change my community’s view of the VFW and provide for the veterans in my community. VSOs are a community based organization and that being said they add value to their community or they will go away.
Thank you for taking the time to read this lengthy post and if you are in need of direction when it comes to a VSO please feel free to contact me.
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SGM Matthew West
Randall, outstanding post and contribution. I am in agreement with your assessments and your solutions. I rejoined the VFW in 2011 (never lost membership, just didn't do anything). After retiring in 2009, I talked about it, but finally decided to walk the walk. I started out as Post Trustee, then was asked about 11 months later to run for Commander. did that for 3 years and currently am the District Commander for all of Southwest Louisiana. During that 3 year tenure, the Post increased by 150 members, mostly post Vietnam Veterans, from Grenada, Panama, DS/DS, Kosovo, and OIF/OEF vets. We currently have one officer of the post that is a Vietnam Veteran, he is the Chaplain. All others are now from the "new regime". Additionally, I worked hard on getting female veterans involved. I found that you can recruit a bunch of people, but if you don't give them a job, or duties, or put them in charge of something, they quit coming around. So, I did just that! Best of luck with your Post and keep on doing what you are doing. RLTW! Matt West
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LCDR Margaret Trombley
Im amazed you were able to recruit women. I served 20 years and would never consider joining the VSO. Older vets I have met along the way have never treated me as an equal and never will. I don't want that thrown in my face now that I am a civilian.
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SFC Randall Beat
LCDR Margaret Trombley - Ever post is different. Don't assume they are going to treat you a specific way.
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