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As seen on FaceBook:
"If my kid can't bring peanut butter to school, you cant bring your unvaccinated kid to school."
Aaaaand go!
Really look forward to MAJ (Join to see)'s thoughts based on his background.
"If my kid can't bring peanut butter to school, you cant bring your unvaccinated kid to school."
Aaaaand go!
Really look forward to MAJ (Join to see)'s thoughts based on his background.
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I find the language used here like "idiots", "Arrogant", "Ignorant" and so on, hard to stomach.
Let me fill you in why: My Niece got the MMR and suddenly developed mild autism, my business partners Sister (who is a Nurse) had her son get the MMR and he is now full on Autistic.
My son in 8 months old and his MMR is due in 4 months and I am thinking like this: If I say yes and he is autistic afterwards, how can I ever live with myself? Seriously, with the emotional issues we already have as veterans, would this put me over the top?
I live in Hungary, the one country in the world with the most mandatory vaccines and funnily enough, the lowest rate of childhood sicknesses in Europe...so this gives me hope but I still am nervous, scared and downright terrified.
I find a constructive, informative conversation useful, my wife and I are really struggling. It helps none when someone quotes the Government as the source and calls someone stupid, ignorant or arrogant who does not heed the order...if this was the case then why the fight for the 2nd Amendment when Obama says he wants to repeal it, he is the Government and he orders it, you must do it according to most of those who posted here.
We cannot pick and choose what fits our belief and then use the very entity, which we despise for trying to change the 2nd Amendment, to validate our arguments, becasue then they are neither a part of a conversation or an argument, it is simply a demeaning statement.
I ask that anyone who respond please keep my beautiful son in mind, this is all I care about, no need to insult me or my thought process, it will get you nowhere.
Thank you,
Steven (and Max)
SSG (Join to see) , TSgt Joshua Copeland , Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS ,
PO2 Steven Erickson
Let me fill you in why: My Niece got the MMR and suddenly developed mild autism, my business partners Sister (who is a Nurse) had her son get the MMR and he is now full on Autistic.
My son in 8 months old and his MMR is due in 4 months and I am thinking like this: If I say yes and he is autistic afterwards, how can I ever live with myself? Seriously, with the emotional issues we already have as veterans, would this put me over the top?
I live in Hungary, the one country in the world with the most mandatory vaccines and funnily enough, the lowest rate of childhood sicknesses in Europe...so this gives me hope but I still am nervous, scared and downright terrified.
I find a constructive, informative conversation useful, my wife and I are really struggling. It helps none when someone quotes the Government as the source and calls someone stupid, ignorant or arrogant who does not heed the order...if this was the case then why the fight for the 2nd Amendment when Obama says he wants to repeal it, he is the Government and he orders it, you must do it according to most of those who posted here.
We cannot pick and choose what fits our belief and then use the very entity, which we despise for trying to change the 2nd Amendment, to validate our arguments, becasue then they are neither a part of a conversation or an argument, it is simply a demeaning statement.
I ask that anyone who respond please keep my beautiful son in mind, this is all I care about, no need to insult me or my thought process, it will get you nowhere.
Thank you,
Steven (and Max)
SSG (Join to see) , TSgt Joshua Copeland , Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS ,
PO2 Steven Erickson
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The act that there is a vaccine injury reporting system has nothing to do with autism. The last 2 cases i read about that supposedly came out to "our vaccines caused your childs autism" was more accurately put out as "your child had an adverse reaction and developed seizures and a learning disability".
I also have 3 children. All have been diagnosed with autism. Not one is like the other with symptoms.
As far as throwing out terms like igorance and the like: i believe some of us are sensative to the issue.
I also have 3 children. All have been diagnosed with autism. Not one is like the other with symptoms.
As far as throwing out terms like igorance and the like: i believe some of us are sensative to the issue.
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SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA
I beg to differ SFC (Join to see) - simply "believing" the Government is not always the best decision. I find it amazing how so many citizens take the word of the Gov. on this issue but when it comes to changing Gun Rights, we go into a rage...priorities?
http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/u-s-media-blackout-italian-courts-rule-vaccines-cause-autism/
http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/u-s-media-blackout-italian-courts-rule-vaccines-cause-autism/
U.S. Media Blackout: Italian Courts Rule Vaccines Cause Autism
Both these Italian court decisions break new ground in the roiling debate over vaccines and autism. These courts, like all courts, are intended to function as impartial, unbiased decision makers. The courts’ decisions are striking because they not only find a vaccine-autism causal link, but they also overrule the decisions of Italy’s Ministry of Health. And taken together, the court decisions found that both the MMR and a hexavalent...
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I do not profess to blindly believe anything. Its simple logic. To say outright that something causes a condition you would be able to accurately predict when and where the condition arises. Not to discredit italy's ruling but it doesnt mean we as a nation are obligated to go along with it without our own ruling. I also dont believe a condition such as the one we are discussing can possibly come from one singular cause.
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Getting sick is one thing, but some people are dying because parents didn't want to vaccinate their children, for whatever reason.
A child with a suppressed immune system due to cancer or some other illness/condition cannot take the vaccine. Along comes a child whose parent didn't "want" to give their child the vaccine and now has measles/mumps/whatever, and causes the child who couldn't take the vaccine to get sick, and in some cases, die.
If my child couldn't take a vaccine and got sick and died because another parent didn't "want" to vaccinate their child, I'd be going to prison.
A child with a suppressed immune system due to cancer or some other illness/condition cannot take the vaccine. Along comes a child whose parent didn't "want" to give their child the vaccine and now has measles/mumps/whatever, and causes the child who couldn't take the vaccine to get sick, and in some cases, die.
If my child couldn't take a vaccine and got sick and died because another parent didn't "want" to vaccinate their child, I'd be going to prison.
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SPC Charles Griffith
As a parent with 2 daughters with low IGG counts who are unable to get the MMR I am in fact living the nightmare. But thanks to my ability to think clearly and plan properly I think we are going to be fine. I would suggest anyone who has a kid who is unable to be vaxed contact the school and start a 504 contract. The School can inform you as to what will be needed from the Dr. but in the contract make sure you stipulate that you are to be informed if there is ANY communicable Disease discovered in your students School as soon as reasonably possible. I also have stipulated that all of my girls teachers allow for mine to ask to be moved if they notice signs of illness in students around them. This step took action on my part to talk with my daughters about their condition and how to recognize these signs and that THEY are responsible for their safety on the matter. I only had to eat one teacher so far. Hope this helps.
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I just read the below article earlier this morning and thought it would be something good to share here regarding this thread's subject.
With that said, I agree with SPC McNeil's premise of responsibility, which I have mentioned many many times throughout dozens of other threads. Leaving the responsibility of our own lives on others is totally ridiculous. At the same time we must be respectful (I didn't say "like") of other's decisions or concerns. For example, if one has an allergy to peanuts then not only say something (civilly) but understand you have absolutely NO right in demanding others not be able to eat peanuts. On the other side, if someone states they have an allergy to peanuts then take caution if you wish to eat something with peanuts while around the person and also you have NO right to be callous with the lives of others. Yes, part of the problem is when this occurs in a school and children don't have the maturity (obviously) to NOT alienate or make fun of others. The key here is the adults being willing to LEARN, be respectful and to properly teach their children. It truly is that simple.
https://gma.yahoo.com/dads-heartfelt-plea-congress-2-old-leukemia-exposed-210618824--abc-news-health.html
SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA, PO2 Steven Erickson, SSG(P) (Join to see), Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS, TSgt Joshua Copeland, SSG Justin McCoy, PO2 William Allen Crowder, Cpl Jeff N., SFC John Gates, 1LT Sandy Annala, SFC (Join to see), SPC Charles Griffith, SrA Marc Haynes, MAJ Carl Ballinger, CSM (Join to see), SGT Jim Z., CW5 (Join to see), SSgt Alexander Ingram, MAJ Matthew Arnold, SPC James Mcneil, CPT Jack Durish, SGT Kristin Wiley, SGT Richard H., Cpl (Join to see).
With that said, I agree with SPC McNeil's premise of responsibility, which I have mentioned many many times throughout dozens of other threads. Leaving the responsibility of our own lives on others is totally ridiculous. At the same time we must be respectful (I didn't say "like") of other's decisions or concerns. For example, if one has an allergy to peanuts then not only say something (civilly) but understand you have absolutely NO right in demanding others not be able to eat peanuts. On the other side, if someone states they have an allergy to peanuts then take caution if you wish to eat something with peanuts while around the person and also you have NO right to be callous with the lives of others. Yes, part of the problem is when this occurs in a school and children don't have the maturity (obviously) to NOT alienate or make fun of others. The key here is the adults being willing to LEARN, be respectful and to properly teach their children. It truly is that simple.
https://gma.yahoo.com/dads-heartfelt-plea-congress-2-old-leukemia-exposed-210618824--abc-news-health.html
SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA, PO2 Steven Erickson, SSG(P) (Join to see), Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS, TSgt Joshua Copeland, SSG Justin McCoy, PO2 William Allen Crowder, Cpl Jeff N., SFC John Gates, 1LT Sandy Annala, SFC (Join to see), SPC Charles Griffith, SrA Marc Haynes, MAJ Carl Ballinger, CSM (Join to see), SGT Jim Z., CW5 (Join to see), SSgt Alexander Ingram, MAJ Matthew Arnold, SPC James Mcneil, CPT Jack Durish, SGT Kristin Wiley, SGT Richard H., Cpl (Join to see).
Dad's Heartfelt Plea to Congress After 2-Year-Old With Leukemia Exposed to Measles
Dr. Timothy Jacks is an Arizona pediatrician on the front lines of the measles outbreak that's sweeping the United States, but when he spoke to Congress today, it was personal. He got a call from the hospital where his 2-year-old daughter Maggie just finished a round of chemotherapy telling him that Maggie and her 10-month-old brother Eli were exposed to measles, he told the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, which...
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SPC Charles Griffith
I am all for the PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY movement in this country. We as a country have allowed for the displacement of responsibility for far to long and we are seeing the result. Not only individually as in of personal safety but systemically in our Justice system. How often do Judges met out lesser sentences due to "addiction" be it drug or alcohol? happens all the time. but WHO is responsible for putting the substance in the body of the defendant? who failed to take responsibility for them selves and seek help if needed to fix their "addiction". I just think we need to bring back personal responsibility and accept responsibility for OUR OWN actions and stop worrying about what Johnny down the block is doing if it does not impact our lives.
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SPC Charles Griffith, interesting. I agree with the responsibility part especially since it falls in with true freedom. Both go hand in hand. Unfortunately, this modern era is rife with a victim-hood mentality that blames others for their own actions/misdeeds. It's made worse with not only the perpetual election of elitists who just crave more power but also the apathy of others who either refuse to vote or refuse to stand up for others. I will say I very slightly disagree with your very last line because we need to stand up in support of one another. Just because what Johnny does down the block may not affect us but it probably negatively affects others around him. Thoughts?
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SPC Charles Griffith
SSG (Join to see) We tread on the slippery slope here my friend. if we are to claim personal responsibility then is it not the responsibility of those who it does affect to speak up for them selves? Now if you are saying once Johnny has violated we need to stand and hold him accountable I agree but the offended needs to shed the light on the violation IMHO.
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