Posted on Jan 7, 2019
Why do so many veterans choose University of Phoenix rather than more legitimate options, like community colleges or public universities?
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UoPX is under federal investigation, and many of its campuses will be closing in 2019. https://dailycaller.com/2018/07/22/obama-university-phoenix-probe/
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So, I got my Masters in English Education from UoPX which required me to do student teaching as well. Let me address a few notes I've seen as I have first-hand experience with going to school totally online:
1. Some degree programs are lighter than others. It's the same way at any college. My bachelor's degree at a state university had a lot of easy classes, but part of that was because I already received a majority of the education during training and OJT in the military.
2. All work goes through turnitin.com, which is an online plagiarism checker. I had people kicked out of my classes for plagiarism. And yes, it is in their blackboard system.
3. I used the GI Bill and it was a seamless process. The only issue I ever had was it took a little longer to get placed for my student observations than I would've liked.
4. Yes, their flexible schedule allowed me to work part-time and be the main parent at home for my two children. It was a huge advantage to me choosing UoPX.
Ultimately, look at the degree you're looking to get. For me, I was switching from being a sports writer to a teacher and I needed a school that was flexible for me. And last I checked, when I get my paycheck every two weeks from the school I teach at, I get paid for a masters degree. Nobody in my school talks about where they got their masters from. So, as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter what people think of where I got my masters degree from, for my job, the UoPX worked for me and that's all that matters.
People should do what works for them, period.
1. Some degree programs are lighter than others. It's the same way at any college. My bachelor's degree at a state university had a lot of easy classes, but part of that was because I already received a majority of the education during training and OJT in the military.
2. All work goes through turnitin.com, which is an online plagiarism checker. I had people kicked out of my classes for plagiarism. And yes, it is in their blackboard system.
3. I used the GI Bill and it was a seamless process. The only issue I ever had was it took a little longer to get placed for my student observations than I would've liked.
4. Yes, their flexible schedule allowed me to work part-time and be the main parent at home for my two children. It was a huge advantage to me choosing UoPX.
Ultimately, look at the degree you're looking to get. For me, I was switching from being a sports writer to a teacher and I needed a school that was flexible for me. And last I checked, when I get my paycheck every two weeks from the school I teach at, I get paid for a masters degree. Nobody in my school talks about where they got their masters from. So, as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter what people think of where I got my masters degree from, for my job, the UoPX worked for me and that's all that matters.
People should do what works for them, period.
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SPC Thomas Lansing
After I got discharged from the Army, I tried to return to college to get my A.A.S. in Hotel/Restaurant Management, but after getting married, so I was supporting a family, I found that my work schedule and class schedule almost never worked out for me. It wasn't until our son graduated from High School and went to college that both my wife and I returned to college and earned our respective degrees. I went a little further and obtained my Bachelor's in Hotel/Resort Management, then I got accepted to an online university, and achieved my Masters of Science in Criminal Justice Administration with a 4.0 G.P.A.. Something that neither of my brothers or sisters have achieved! Plus got a temporary job as an adjunct instructor at the Community College I had gotten my A.A.S. from!
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LCDR Ed Etzkorn
I know a number of people who have degrees from UPX, none regret it. I believe there are on line schools that are a rip off but IMHO UPX isn't one of them.
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PO1 Terry Scott
Not just X military. I was lucky enough to have the USNavy send me to school 8 hrs a day, no duty, No watch for you army guys. I gotta say for an enlisted guy, I won the military lottery. But anyway, I"ve had a lot of civilians use UPX to get degrees and advanced degrees due to the flexible schedules, no travel and the biggest was the ability to do it on their employer's time work permitting.
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I can't speak for anyone but myself...I earned an AA degree from UoP and have no regrets. I had horrible grades in high school and that is partially why I joined the military. Once my wife convinced me that I was college material, it took me 20 years (while being a husband, father, Sailor, and part-time youth sports coach) and about a dozen colleges (in 5 states / 8 duty stations) to earn an AA, BA (History), MBA, and MS (Int’l Relations). When I was trying for my Associate’s Degree, each new community college wanted me to basically start over. UoP (which had an office on base) was the only one that said they would work with all of my college credits. I took their required residency courses and graduated with an AA. If not for UoP, it would have taken me quite a bit longer earning my AA and who knows if I would have continued toward my two Master’s Degrees or if I would have even been motivated to complete my BA. Some of you can bad mouth it, but UoP helped me get past that first hurdle and I’ve never looked back.
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PO1 Don Gulizia
CW4 (Join to see) - "I realize most in military and government work greatly discount the value of building professional networks." For those that will not make DOD/IC their career, you are correct, they need to build those types of relationships. However, for some of us, our professional network is the military and government.
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CPT Bobby Fields
PO1 Don Gulizia I think it is important to be able to build relationships in areas more than just those in your designated career field. Granted, those within your career field are probably the MOST important, but many that might be considered tangential can be beneficial, and may present themselves as new career opportunities in different fields.
CW4 (Join to see) I understand your point about socialization, I would go so far as to calling that networking, a term that seems to intimidate our transitioning military folks. We spend our time in uniform building an ironclad network that we tap into repeatedly while serving, and again when we transition, whether it is professionally or simply to stay at a buddy's house when we visiting their area, town, base, etc. I believe the face-to-face interaction anywhere in life, whether in college, at the workpace, or social settings allow us the best chance to do that. I think that networking and socialization outside of military circles helps us better transition and reintegrate into our civilian communities when the time comes.
CW4 (Join to see) I understand your point about socialization, I would go so far as to calling that networking, a term that seems to intimidate our transitioning military folks. We spend our time in uniform building an ironclad network that we tap into repeatedly while serving, and again when we transition, whether it is professionally or simply to stay at a buddy's house when we visiting their area, town, base, etc. I believe the face-to-face interaction anywhere in life, whether in college, at the workpace, or social settings allow us the best chance to do that. I think that networking and socialization outside of military circles helps us better transition and reintegrate into our civilian communities when the time comes.
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1SG Ernest Stull
I didn't attend Upox , however I did attend several different colleges until I was assigned to Fort Benning, I was able to complete my AA, at Troy uni, and received full credit for all my courses that they had also, ie math, etc. I retired in Columbus and continued to attend Troy and received my BS in law enforcement, I then went to CSU, and completed my masters in PA. The reason for the background info is to say that all schools are not the same for everybody.
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PO1 Terry Scott
Yes, they seem to want to bleed you dry for no reason. Just because you can teach the class or better yet every time the instructor opens their mouth you can prove them wrong with foot notes its no reason to award the degree with out greasing palms. And its only getting worse. I am so glad my kids are in their 40s. Got a flying buddy who's kids are retired from the Federal Bureau of Intimidation. Oh the stories. Don't get me started, tried to have a gov job after I got out. If the SPEND MONEY NOW didn't bug me a senator got involved to crush the GS13 job I had but its findings threatened a manufacture in his state. Still love whats left of this country and would so it again but this time with my eyes wider open.
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Great question. UoP is a for profit university that has been black listed by the government in several occasions. Based on the experience of some fellow service members that have attended, I was told that the workload is very light, you get A's for C- work. That you can plagiarize and they don't check your work. Personally, when I was looking at them as an option gor my master's degree, I felt hounded by their representatives, they not once spoke a degree plan, all they were interested in was giving me loans and TA. Many universities that are approved by TA should be reviewed.
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PO3 (Join to see)
I agree with the checking schools that take TA because a lot of schools claim to be for military personnel but isn’t. I have a run in with plenty.
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SPC Michelle Goodhart
MSG (Join to see) One example from one NCO is not enough to damn an entire institution of learning. I’ve move on from the military and as a civilian, many retired senior NCO’s and retired field grade officers have worked directly for me, including employees with doctorates. In the stated population, I’ve seen a gamut of writing skill; some good and some poor. I find that poor writing and critical thinking abilities are just as common among highly educated, regardless of the institution from which they obtain their academic degrees.
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PV2 Glen Lewis
Well I didn't finish high school but did get a GED and then tried community college which I found as tedious and boring as high school. UoP wasn't available to me at the time or I would have given it a shot. Instead of a college degree I went to vo-tech and earned a certification in info. processing and computer repair. If I'd read this thread, which the overwhelming majority of entries has positive responses to UoP that would be what I would've done. Before I ever heard of UoP I was retired from a repair tech job. I always wanted a college degree. Still do but 69 is a little late to use it, even if I were to attain it. The point of all this is that any education is more valuable than none. If nothing else, one has the satisfaction of knowing you completed the task and attained your goal. Employers don't cotton to quitters. For those of you who chose to do this, congratulations and respect. Learn at any opportunity.
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