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Within the next week I will be completing the build on a LR308.
It is built around a 24" fluted SS barrel and due to that I am attempting to add as much lightness as possible (Fixed tube stock, short floating railed fore end, etc) This is to be my 1000M+ rifle.
Keep in mind I was Marine trained at 500 M with an M14 in the 60s, but am also aware of PDAs, rangefinders and BDC equipped scopes. Things have come a long way since the leatherwood ART scopes used un Vietnam. I am considering use of this old school gear with some modern enhancements to the total package.
So, all the true shooters out there, what is your considered opinions?
It is built around a 24" fluted SS barrel and due to that I am attempting to add as much lightness as possible (Fixed tube stock, short floating railed fore end, etc) This is to be my 1000M+ rifle.
Keep in mind I was Marine trained at 500 M with an M14 in the 60s, but am also aware of PDAs, rangefinders and BDC equipped scopes. Things have come a long way since the leatherwood ART scopes used un Vietnam. I am considering use of this old school gear with some modern enhancements to the total package.
So, all the true shooters out there, what is your considered opinions?
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Cpl Dennis F. A good friend of mine once pointed out that a person should spend as much on glass as on a rifle for any semi precision or full precision role. For true 1000+ you're going to need to follow that rule (I just read down and see you already mentioned it). The .308 is limited at those ranges, technically capable of man-sized accuracy, but .300 win mag, .338 Lapua and some other options are more consistent.
If you were trained in the 60s I'm not sure if they were using MOA or Mils at that time, consider which range measurement system is preferable to you (meters-mils-CM or yards-MOA-inches).
Definitely get a scope that is brilliant in the basics, high quality glass with a strong reticule in your preferred measurements. All the Gucci precision gear can be added on or used separately, but good glass with a good Mil-dot system is irreplaceable.
My preference for reticules is Horus (their Hr37 extreme long range is the image attached), it eliminates a lot of the guess work of the old Mildot system, and with good training can be used very well for BDC and windage, as well as on-the fly- adjustments (no need to click). Horus sells some scopes directly, but their reticules are also available in top of the line scopes.
https://www.horusvision.com/reticles.php
Top of the line names: Premier, Schmidt & Bender, Zeiss, Middle: Horus Vision, Leupold, Vortex
If you were trained in the 60s I'm not sure if they were using MOA or Mils at that time, consider which range measurement system is preferable to you (meters-mils-CM or yards-MOA-inches).
Definitely get a scope that is brilliant in the basics, high quality glass with a strong reticule in your preferred measurements. All the Gucci precision gear can be added on or used separately, but good glass with a good Mil-dot system is irreplaceable.
My preference for reticules is Horus (their Hr37 extreme long range is the image attached), it eliminates a lot of the guess work of the old Mildot system, and with good training can be used very well for BDC and windage, as well as on-the fly- adjustments (no need to click). Horus sells some scopes directly, but their reticules are also available in top of the line scopes.
https://www.horusvision.com/reticles.php
Top of the line names: Premier, Schmidt & Bender, Zeiss, Middle: Horus Vision, Leupold, Vortex
Horus Reticles
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Cpl Dennis F.
Capt (Join to see) Thanks so much for your detailed response. Something that I should have thought of, having once spent a few years competing in 3 gun with IPSC. You're right a lot of horse trading up in the shooting communities. How long have you been at 29 palms? Blew through there decades ago for .50 school. Desolation defined.
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Cpl Dennis F.
Capt Richard I P. Capt (Join to see) See my selection and final set up below. Thanks guys!
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LTC Paul Labrador
Exactly. There is no point buying a Ferrari of a rifle and putting a Yugo of a scope on it.
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CW3 Kevin Storm
I would say it depends on where you are going to use it. I laugh when I see people out there with a giant Zeiss to try hunt woods of New England where everything is overgrown and can't see two hundred yards, bull briars everywhere. Then there is the guy with a walmart scope trying to plink at 1000 meters wondering why he can't get close. Scope kind of needs to be matched to what it will be doing. If you are using a 30-30 do you need the giant Zeiss? Not likely, opposite for the .308 or .338 lapua you need a quality scope.
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"without breaking the bank" is pretty subjective. How big is the bank? I'm a huge fan of the Leupold Mark IV, but it's a tad pricey. BTW...if you ever want a great scope for one of your AR's the leupold Mark AR will make you a believer for around $400...you can get it for less with different reticles, but trust me, the firedot TMR reticle is worth the $.
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Cpl Dennis F.
Exactly. I've been looking at Horus scopes. Very interesting reticles, software/weather package. About $16-1800 but will absolutely put the second round (trued for input errors from 1st round strike) on 18x18 at 1k M.
No clicks required after Zero, hold and wind all done on the reticle. Take a look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8tv8C00pCE
No clicks required after Zero, hold and wind all done on the reticle. Take a look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8tv8C00pCE
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Capt Richard I P.
Cpl Dennis F. Between when I started typing my recommendation of Horus (below) and hit send I see you've already been researching them... Sorry to be redundant.
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Cpl Dennis F.
Not at all, Capt Richard I P. you have added to the data. I'm sure that other than me can make use of the info that gets presented here. Horus has definitely impressed me enough to extend my budget considerably.
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Cpl Dennis F.
SGT Richard H. See my final choice below. I liked the scope so much I bought a 3X Spitfire prism dot sight for my BLK from them a bit later. Thanks for your input.
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Try vortex optics, i sold optics while i worked at cabelas before i joined. they are American owned veteran owned company, they made a quality product that rivals zeiss and swarovski optics.
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