Posted on Dec 31, 2013
SGM Matthew Quick
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Thoughts about 'generic' comments in NCOERs/OERs?

I don't think I'm authorized 'pet-peeves' yet because I'm not a Sergeant Major (that's a joke), but nothing screams, "I DON'T CARE ABOUT MY CAREER" more than an NCO looking toward the senior NCO ranks with 'generic' NCOER bullets.

Have you really not done enough in one or more of your evaluated areas to give SPECIFIC/QUANTIFIABLE comments about your or your rated NCO's performance?  Or do not know how to put this into writing?

Or, bare with me, you're too lazy to care about you or your rated NCO's career to be specific about the previous year's accomplishments.

Note:  I understand and can understand that there may be a 90-day+ change of rater evaluation that incorporates generic bullets.
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SSG Robert Burns
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Edited 11 y ago
I'd rather just have 2 bullets than 3 with one of them being generic.  I've also done some things that just can't be fully articulated in one sentence.  I don't like the 2 line limitation.  I understand the need for brevity for board members but some things need to be explained or they will have no idea what you are talking about.
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MSG Master Leader Course Facilitator
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I agree, the OER is nice because it allows for more narrative about officers performance. Maybe we should have a type of rating?
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CSM Mike Maynard
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and we'll see some of those "narrative" sections coming out in the updated NCOER.
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SSG Roger Ayscue
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MSG (Join to see) - The OLD NCOER was like that. The Rater and Senior Rater had a paragraph to give observations about the rated NCO. It was So much better, but you all know that someplace in the puzzle palace a Good Idea Fairy had it changed to what it is now. Yay US!
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SSG(P) Casualty Operations Ncoic
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Edited 11 y ago

I review almost every NCOER that comes through the battalion.  Unfortunately for the rated NCOs, I see A LOT of very bland NCOERs.  I also see a lot of inflated Senior Rater numbers too.  Remember that a 1/1 is for those rare "Super Soldiers" who excel at EVERYTHING they do and seem to do more awesome stuff than there are hours in the day.  A 2/2 means the NCO is above average, but not Super Trooper.  A 3/3 means the NCO came in to work, did his/her job, and went home.  Nothing exceptional, but nothing negative either.  4/4 and 5/5 are, well, you know-- bad.


Honorable mention to one NCOER I reviewed-- apparently the Rater had nothing when it came to bullet comments, so (if memory serves) one of the bullets was, "... did not have any law enforcement violations on or off duty."  I guess that might be valid, as the NCO is an MP.


My pet peeves with NCOERs:
o Spell Check!  There is a Spell Check button right on the electronic form

o Using parts of the Soldiers Creed or Creed of the NCO as bullets (Really?  That's all you have?)

o Giving an NCO a 2/2 when you noted he got a DUI

o Everyone is a 1/1

o Writing everything you can think of in Block IIId

o Waiting until 7-14 days AFTER the THRU Date to submit the NCOER


However, my biggest complaint is cut & pasted NCOERs.  You know, when all your rated NCOs have the exact same bullet comments, right down to the same typos and grammatical errors.  It is even worse when these come in at the same time; it's really obvious when I read the same NCOER three times, with just the Part I info changed.


I suggest (as does AR and DA Pam 623-3) that you use the NCOER Counseling Support Form (DA Form 2166-8-1).  This way you are fulfilling your obligation as a Rater to counsel your NCO quarterly AND you will have a ready-made NCOER when the THRU Date gets close.  You won't have to scramble at the last minute.

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CMC Robert Young
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It's universal....raters who are too lazy, or not creative enough to write solid justifications for their subordinates. It drives me crazy to see an entire duty section get the same marks on their EERs with the same accompanying bullets.....12 people here who all did exactly the same thing in exactly the same manner at exactly the same time.


I hear that 'pet peeves' will soon be authorized for lower pay grades as part of a new feel good military ;-)

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SSG Artillery Mechanic
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Raters who are too lazy??? Are you kidding me??? It is not our job to be creative and to write a solid NCOER. It is YOUR eval not ours......if YOU were too lazy to not write down the shit you did then it is your fault that your eval sucks!!!!
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CMC Robert Young
CMC Robert Young
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First, Staff Sergeant, I'd try some decaf. Not sure that the exclamation points, multiple question marks and language are particularly necessary or beneficial to the merits of the discussion. I might also point out as a leader, it is our responsibility/job to mentor those in our charge and care which includes guiding their efforts in the evaluation process by helping them target those things which impact the final document. For our junior members, that means we as leaders are likely to be more involved than with somebody with time in service.

Secondly, I have never, nor will I ever advance the idea that the person being rated shouldn't drive the process with a solid contribution by submitting appropriate supporting documentation which supports their evaluation (as a matter of fact, I require all of my subordinates to write a draft eval w/ supporting evidence of their performance for my review prior to the deadline for submission which allows me to opportunity to craft a fair & accurate assessment). My underlying point was that it's unfair to the individual member for a leader to simply cut and paste the same bullets into a myriad of EERs. Each individual should be evaluated on the merits of their own efforts. Not subjected to a lazy rater who just goes through the motions and avoids developing a thoughtful and accurate assessment of the person being rated.

My point was not to avoid our responsibilities as leaders, but dedicate the appropriate level of effort required to do a good job. Not simply wander through the process haphazardly.
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1SG Joe Messier
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SSG Uecker, please tell me that is sarcasm.
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