Posted on Jul 24, 2017
Should the Mueller investigation be cancelled? Has he overstepped his boundaries of investigation?
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The scope of the investigation is odd, but likely done to demonstrate transparency. However, I would also say that the composition of Mueller's team is also troublesome. As an investigator myself, I find it highly dubious that Mueller has brought a lot of former Clinton lawyers and Democrat party affiliates on board to the investigation team. Whether they remain impartial or not does not change the appearance that this represents (which is one of biased investigative analysis as opposed to objectivity).
I would think Mueller should have known better; and I doubt the Deputy AG would have thought he would do something like that.
I would think Mueller should have known better; and I doubt the Deputy AG would have thought he would do something like that.
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MSgt Steve Sweeney - I agree that we may just have to agree to disagree. However, I have heard your viewpoint on this before and it always seems to come from those with strong political views that oppose the current POTUS. I don't find this to be a coincidence. I also find it an interesting contradiction that those same "anti-Trumpers" will often paint the POTUS as an "idiot" but continue to push a narrative that he somehow was a brilliant agent of Russia, colluding with them to hack our elections, all-the-while being too smart to leave any evidence of his tradecraft behind. I would only ask that you look at the situation objectively (without any personal feelings you may have towards Trump). You have made comments such as you "feel Trump is complicit and likely compromised" when there is no evidence to support such views (even though you are of course entitled to them). As an investigator, that is an indicator to me of a personal bias, and those with such feelings often fall victim to confirmation-bias, seeing any new information as supporting their beliefs. I am not saying this is you, but I am saying people in general often fit into this category. How can I think otherwise when I see an investigation based on false pretense? Speaking just from a criminal justice standpoint, this is not normal, and there are many others who agree.
For the record, even if the Special Counsel finds President Trump guilty of nothing, I do not believe the anti-Trumpers out there will let it go (and I think you know that is true as well). They will likely continue to find any reason to present him as the "bad guy" because they have already invested too many emotions into the situation already.
Once again, just my opinion.
Anyway, I enjoyed the debate.
For the record, even if the Special Counsel finds President Trump guilty of nothing, I do not believe the anti-Trumpers out there will let it go (and I think you know that is true as well). They will likely continue to find any reason to present him as the "bad guy" because they have already invested too many emotions into the situation already.
Once again, just my opinion.
Anyway, I enjoyed the debate.
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MSgt Steve Sweeney - It's not about what is suspicious or not. I am firmly aware of what Russia's capabilities are and have seen nothing to prove that they have done anything different than they always have... As for my political beliefs, I don't consider myself pro-Trump or anti-Trump if you were implying one or the other. Additionally, from a legal standpoint, none of what you just stated meets the threshold for even "circumstantial" evidence. I can say that because we have no clear crime and none of those actions are illegal in anyway. Or are we to assume 2+2=5? People in this country aren't investigated on such weak notions like Pres. Trump has been (again, based on a fabricated dossier and outcry from a political party and nothing more). Many with your ideology on this situation seem to forget our criminal justice system is one based on "innocent until proven guilty." My personal opinions on the fact that there not enough evidence to even investigate aside: In this case there is not even enough evidence to indict him (or in his case impeach), let alone enough to prove him guilty of any conspiracy, or fraud charges beyond a reasonable doubt (the level of proof needed for conviction in a court of law).
For the record: I have never "denigrated" Mueller, and nothing you have stated that you "believe" the POTUS has done is illegal. However, saying he is "complicit" implies a criminal act, but if as you say, he is simply being played by Putin, then that is not the same thing. You clearly have strong feelings about the POTUS and do not think much of him in terms of intelligence (as I said, I have come to expect that from people making these arguments who also tend to be "anti-Trumpers"). However, even if what you say is true, he is still the President. And dumping money into a fruitless investigation is not going to get him out of office or sway his supporters. If anything, it will likely strengthen his base. When opponents continue to make baseless claims and accusations at someone that are continually proven false, it just makes the target of those attacks stronger.
For the record: I have never "denigrated" Mueller, and nothing you have stated that you "believe" the POTUS has done is illegal. However, saying he is "complicit" implies a criminal act, but if as you say, he is simply being played by Putin, then that is not the same thing. You clearly have strong feelings about the POTUS and do not think much of him in terms of intelligence (as I said, I have come to expect that from people making these arguments who also tend to be "anti-Trumpers"). However, even if what you say is true, he is still the President. And dumping money into a fruitless investigation is not going to get him out of office or sway his supporters. If anything, it will likely strengthen his base. When opponents continue to make baseless claims and accusations at someone that are continually proven false, it just makes the target of those attacks stronger.
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SN James MacKay
Mueller, I would remind everyone, is a life-long Republican, with an absolute spotless reputation and impressive resume.
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SN James MacKay - That is irrelevant to my comments. In fact, his reputation and record means he should know better than to appoint people of questionable objectivity to participate in a special counsel investigation which was authorized due to the mere appearance of a "conflict of interest." See the irony?
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This entire fiasco needs to be ended. To date there has been ZERO evidence that the Trump administration has done anything Illegal, there has been Zero criminal acts, and ZERO laws have been broken by Him or his Team. Trumps warnings about digging into his Finances make sense, how far back is this witch hunt going to dig? One year? two years? 10 years? 20? This is what the left want to happen, they want Mueller to dig up anything that even looks remotely off for Trumps entire life so they can try and use it for political gain.
Where was this fervor when HRC sold our Uranium to the Russians for donations to the Clinton foundation for 2.35 Million, what about Obama telling the Russians “particularly with missile defense” “This is my last election … After my election I have more flexibility,”, Where was the issues with Bill Clinton meeting with Lynch privately on the Tarmac? Bill Clinton getting a $500,000 speaking fee for an hour talk at a Russian bank? The Democrats are tied to Russia at every point, even their political philosophy is communist in nature. Liberal media is playing their part as communist state run media for the left. At this point I view the left wing as a joke and anti-America, ANTIFA stands for anti-first, BLM is a hate group no better than the KKK, and all the screaming liberals just keep demanding communism be implemented.
Where was this fervor when HRC sold our Uranium to the Russians for donations to the Clinton foundation for 2.35 Million, what about Obama telling the Russians “particularly with missile defense” “This is my last election … After my election I have more flexibility,”, Where was the issues with Bill Clinton meeting with Lynch privately on the Tarmac? Bill Clinton getting a $500,000 speaking fee for an hour talk at a Russian bank? The Democrats are tied to Russia at every point, even their political philosophy is communist in nature. Liberal media is playing their part as communist state run media for the left. At this point I view the left wing as a joke and anti-America, ANTIFA stands for anti-first, BLM is a hate group no better than the KKK, and all the screaming liberals just keep demanding communism be implemented.
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SPC David Willis - The only person that has pled guilty was the guy who lied to the FBI about something that was not even important and had no reason to lie about. Now we find out the FBI and the DOJ were using circle logic to authenticate and legitimize an investigation started by a paid DNC "opposition" research. Muller knows the moment he has completed his "investigation" and found nothing he is going to be sacked and all the DOJ, FBI, DNC, HRC, and Obama Admin are looking at ending up in jail for Obstruction of Justice, Lying, bribery, evidence tampering, abuse of authority, just to start.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski Must Be Getting Close, Making the President Nervous. This Might Just Play Like Watergate Part Deux.
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SSgt Gary Andrews
Once there were some indication that Mueller was interested in Trump finances......Trump started sweating bullets. Leads me to believe there might be something to all the talk about Russian mob money being laundered through New York real estate (Trump?).
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1SG John B. Enlow
The presidents finances are none of his business. There is no LAW requiring presidential candidates to release tax forms. But, I have an idea what his show...page one "Wealthy". page two "Really Wealthy, and final page "You Gotta Be Kidding Me Wealthy".
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