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<font color="#4d4d4d"><span style="font-size: 14px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">One of the biggest errors out there rating NCOs in jobs that do not exist. This is always a tough one do you stay the course like this or do you rate the NCO in the duty position they are slotted for but not working in?</span></font>
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Posted 11 y ago
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You need to get out of AR 623-3 and get into DA PAM 623-3 this is where most of your answers are pertaining to how or what to fill out on the NCOER. This is from Para. 3-5 table 3-3 of DA PAM 623-3:
NCOER part III: block a—Principal Duty Title
Action required: Enter principal duty title that matches the unit force management document or that most accurately reflects actual duties performed.
Ultimately, you the 1SG should determine how they are rated. I try to utilize what best benefits the Soldier. If they are filling the position of Commander's Gunner and doing an additional duty of training room NCO that is how I annotate it. If they are only doing the duties as the Chemical NCO (normally an additional duty), then that I will rate them as that. Do not allow your raters to make up duty positions. The common one I see is the Company trying to rate a guy as a HQ PSG (11B40 position) when he is filling the MTOE slot of Company MG (11B30 position). They cannot make up duty positions when there is a duty position they are filling a MTOE duty position, but we all know there are the exceptions where a guy only fills a position that would normally just be an additional duty.
NCOER part III: block a—Principal Duty Title
Action required: Enter principal duty title that matches the unit force management document or that most accurately reflects actual duties performed.
Ultimately, you the 1SG should determine how they are rated. I try to utilize what best benefits the Soldier. If they are filling the position of Commander's Gunner and doing an additional duty of training room NCO that is how I annotate it. If they are only doing the duties as the Chemical NCO (normally an additional duty), then that I will rate them as that. Do not allow your raters to make up duty positions. The common one I see is the Company trying to rate a guy as a HQ PSG (11B40 position) when he is filling the MTOE slot of Company MG (11B30 position). They cannot make up duty positions when there is a duty position they are filling a MTOE duty position, but we all know there are the exceptions where a guy only fills a position that would normally just be an additional duty.
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What happens when a NCO is slotted in a position they do not work in? Our OPS NCO is slotted as a nurse in the OR. He is not a nurse nor works in the OR.
How about the Commanders Driver? There's not a slot for him and he is a lab tech. So he is slotted in the lab but hasn't seen a drop of blood in over a year.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Yea ours doesnt and our CSM is furious about it especially since our new MTOE just came out and it still doesnt have it.
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CSM (Join to see)
All valid points but slotting them in their MTOE position while not actually working in that position paints a confusing picture to board members? Particularly for those branches that require 12-36 months of rated time in those positions.
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SGM Matthew Quick
MAJ Crane,<br><br>Hope you've engaged your Strength Management section for possible resolutions.
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NCOs are rated in their slotted (MTOE or TDA) positions.<br><br>Additional Duties can be annotated in the 'Appointed Duties' section.
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