Posted on Jun 2, 2017
Is Trump correct in abandoning the Paris Treaty on Global Climate Change?
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I believe it was in the US's best interest. the whole thing was 1 big welfare check to the world. China and India have free reign to do as they're doing while we have our hands tied. There is more to it than what I stated but I dont like typing books
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SGT Jim Arnold
found a more complete explanation, credit goes to
Steven Miller
It's all about bankrupting the USA and their NWO! *The US would lose 6.5 million industrial jobs, including 3.1 million manufacturer in jobs by 2025.
*Cost to US economy - $3 trillion in lower GDP.
*Household income would drop $7,000+.
*The agreement imposed NO "meaningful obligations to the world's leading polluters". Even if all members met all of their commitments, the impact would be negligible. (.02%)...which China could wipe out with just 14 days of emissions.
*This agreement keeps us from becoming energy independent.
*energy costs would rise by up to 20% for Americans.
*Obama bypassed Congress to sign this agreement.
*China is able to INCREASE emissions for the next 13 years.
*China will be allowed to build hundreds of additional coal plants.
*India's participation is contingent on receiving billions of dollars from developing countries.
*India will be allowed to double it's coal production, but WE are to get rid of ours.
*The agreement BLOCKS the development of clean coal in the US.
*Europe is allowed to continue to build coal plants.
***THE AGREEMENT DOESN'T ELIMINATE COAL JOBS, IT JUST TRANSFERS THEM TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES.
"This agreement was not about climate, it was about gaining financial advantage over the USA. It was nothing more than a massive redistribution of US wealth to other countries" and to the "elites" who invest in programs that will be funded by the trillions that would have been taken from American taxpayers. This document is a treaty in international law. It has 100% of the legal attributes of a treaty. If you examine the UN website all the reporting on this accord treats it as a treaty.
Under our Constitution, treaties must be ratified by the United States Senate.
Obama claimed to have unilaterally ratified the treaty. He had no such power.
The United States is not legitimately a party to this treaty. Thus, President Trump is not withdrawing from the Paris Accords. A nation must be a party to withdraw.
President Trump is simply giving the world notice that this act of Obama acting as a dictator was not valid.
The fact that Obama refused to send it to the Senate is all the evidence you need to know that it is an unwise treaty. If it was good for America, it could get ratified.
In all of the hyperbole, the person who acted irresponsibly is the one who circumvented the Constitution and attempted to impose international control over this country all by himself.
Now you know the straight story.
Steven Miller
It's all about bankrupting the USA and their NWO! *The US would lose 6.5 million industrial jobs, including 3.1 million manufacturer in jobs by 2025.
*Cost to US economy - $3 trillion in lower GDP.
*Household income would drop $7,000+.
*The agreement imposed NO "meaningful obligations to the world's leading polluters". Even if all members met all of their commitments, the impact would be negligible. (.02%)...which China could wipe out with just 14 days of emissions.
*This agreement keeps us from becoming energy independent.
*energy costs would rise by up to 20% for Americans.
*Obama bypassed Congress to sign this agreement.
*China is able to INCREASE emissions for the next 13 years.
*China will be allowed to build hundreds of additional coal plants.
*India's participation is contingent on receiving billions of dollars from developing countries.
*India will be allowed to double it's coal production, but WE are to get rid of ours.
*The agreement BLOCKS the development of clean coal in the US.
*Europe is allowed to continue to build coal plants.
***THE AGREEMENT DOESN'T ELIMINATE COAL JOBS, IT JUST TRANSFERS THEM TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES.
"This agreement was not about climate, it was about gaining financial advantage over the USA. It was nothing more than a massive redistribution of US wealth to other countries" and to the "elites" who invest in programs that will be funded by the trillions that would have been taken from American taxpayers. This document is a treaty in international law. It has 100% of the legal attributes of a treaty. If you examine the UN website all the reporting on this accord treats it as a treaty.
Under our Constitution, treaties must be ratified by the United States Senate.
Obama claimed to have unilaterally ratified the treaty. He had no such power.
The United States is not legitimately a party to this treaty. Thus, President Trump is not withdrawing from the Paris Accords. A nation must be a party to withdraw.
President Trump is simply giving the world notice that this act of Obama acting as a dictator was not valid.
The fact that Obama refused to send it to the Senate is all the evidence you need to know that it is an unwise treaty. If it was good for America, it could get ratified.
In all of the hyperbole, the person who acted irresponsibly is the one who circumvented the Constitution and attempted to impose international control over this country all by himself.
Now you know the straight story.
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Looked into the actual science and not what people say the science says...and it was absolutely the right thing to do.
Looked into the actual science and not what people say the science says...and it was absolutely the right thing to do.
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MSG Sand - Appreciate your POV.... Global Warming is a scientific fact and a threat to national security. Maritime access to the Arctic, desertification, famine, fresh water supplies... you tell me how those don't impact our resources and troop requirements.
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MSG Brad Sand
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Scientific fact? Provide the evidence Sir. Yes, there are periods of warming and cooling. We have been in a cooling period the last few years, hence Alarmist changing the verbiage to 'Global Climate Change' and the data proves this.
What threat to National Security? I get it, we have all heard the lies and most have taken as truth but identify one actual threat tied to climate? China have any climate links, nope. Canadian's crossing our border? Nope. Even the illegals crossing into our Nation are not really linked to climate in any way.
Please do not talk about facts in climate because the results of models were never facts. When the models failed, the Alarmist still wanted to pretend they were facts and they never were.
Maritime access to the Arctic? What is the treat there? Oh right, none.
Desertification...where is this happening? Oh right, no where.
Famine...show me a time in history when famine was less than it is today?
Please give us any of these non fact facts?
Scientific fact? Provide the evidence Sir. Yes, there are periods of warming and cooling. We have been in a cooling period the last few years, hence Alarmist changing the verbiage to 'Global Climate Change' and the data proves this.
What threat to National Security? I get it, we have all heard the lies and most have taken as truth but identify one actual threat tied to climate? China have any climate links, nope. Canadian's crossing our border? Nope. Even the illegals crossing into our Nation are not really linked to climate in any way.
Please do not talk about facts in climate because the results of models were never facts. When the models failed, the Alarmist still wanted to pretend they were facts and they never were.
Maritime access to the Arctic? What is the treat there? Oh right, none.
Desertification...where is this happening? Oh right, no where.
Famine...show me a time in history when famine was less than it is today?
Please give us any of these non fact facts?
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MSG Brand Sand
.... and just in case you need pictures to see the scientific point... here's a bit on Somalia...
http://features.foreignpolicy.com/06-06-2017-somalias-land-is-dying-the-people-will-be-next-climate-change/
.... and just in case you need pictures to see the scientific point... here's a bit on Somalia...
http://features.foreignpolicy.com/06-06-2017-somalias-land-is-dying-the-people-will-be-next-climate-change/
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MSG Brad Sand
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Wow Sir, drought in Somalia...that is proof of what? For as long as I can remember, Somalia has been facing drought? Even the site says 'country has faced cyclical droughts and periodic famines throughout the past century. [and] decades of civil war,'? IF your 'proof' is drought in Somalia, you have no proof at all? If the drought there today any worse than the drought in the 90s? People are still living there, how is that even possible, especially if we are to believe the Global Alarmist? Yes Sir, deserts are hot and dry, I do have to give you that...but that was not in question.
Wow Sir, drought in Somalia...that is proof of what? For as long as I can remember, Somalia has been facing drought? Even the site says 'country has faced cyclical droughts and periodic famines throughout the past century. [and] decades of civil war,'? IF your 'proof' is drought in Somalia, you have no proof at all? If the drought there today any worse than the drought in the 90s? People are still living there, how is that even possible, especially if we are to believe the Global Alarmist? Yes Sir, deserts are hot and dry, I do have to give you that...but that was not in question.
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we pay others to reduce emissions....WTF... We are the leaders in environmental stewardship... We owe nothing to the rest of this crowd... They need to catch up to us... and without our money to do so...
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So what's our role as the single real Global Superpower?... This is like space exploration... should we not lead by example in this space as well?... does developing recyclable energy sources not create a unique industry for us here in the US?... think of the 2nd and 3rd order effects... Global Warming and Climate Change is real - and is affecting our troops all over the world...
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