Posted on Sep 16, 2014
Tattoo Policy Update: Apply Now with a CDR's Endorsement - Thoughts?
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Soldiers who could not commission due to changes in the tattoo policy now have the ability to commission through the use of a CDR's endorsement.
I know a few Soldiers personally who were affected by the previous AR 670-1 update. I'm glad they can now apply. The last changes came swiftly and caught many Soldiers off guard. What's your take on this?
"The revised policy makes clear that soldiers may request a commissioning or appointment so long as they have their commander’s endorsement. The Army tightened up its tattoo rules in its March 31 update of 670-1. The rules, which remain unchanged today, mandate that soldiers have no more than four visible tattoos (smaller than the size of the wearer’s hand) below the elbow and knee. Bands must be no more than 2 inches wide. Sleeves on the legs and arms are also outlawed." via ArmyTimes
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140916/NEWS07/309160066/Army-releases-new-rules-tattoos-hair
I know a few Soldiers personally who were affected by the previous AR 670-1 update. I'm glad they can now apply. The last changes came swiftly and caught many Soldiers off guard. What's your take on this?
"The revised policy makes clear that soldiers may request a commissioning or appointment so long as they have their commander’s endorsement. The Army tightened up its tattoo rules in its March 31 update of 670-1. The rules, which remain unchanged today, mandate that soldiers have no more than four visible tattoos (smaller than the size of the wearer’s hand) below the elbow and knee. Bands must be no more than 2 inches wide. Sleeves on the legs and arms are also outlawed." via ArmyTimes
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140916/NEWS07/309160066/Army-releases-new-rules-tattoos-hair
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I'm glad they recanted this change, it shows that the higher ups listen to us to some extent. I know a high speed E-5 who has been considering putting on a bar, and this should be good news to him.
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CPT Zachary Brooks, I am very impressed that higher is listening. I believe social media has a very strong influence. Leaders are more aware of the situation. What has impressed me is is that they did not change the rule in a hasty manner. Basically, they lets some time pass... analyzed the situation and then stated the reason for such changes.
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LTC Heinlein, I like the grandfathered portion of it. I have tattoos as well, so I have a dog in this hunt, but when I had them done, I used the old policies to guide where I had them placed...just in case. It didn't stop me from getting tattoos...it just reduced the size of the canvas. There aren't any rules about not getting ANY tattoos. Why not allow them on the face and scalp? Or should it be up to the individual compunction of each Soldier to determine what is right for them? I'm happy to see the change, as I think it is the right thing to do for those who joined the Army when they did. I had a Soldier who could not become an officer based on this policy and he was the right choice to become an officer. I will get him to apply again under teh revised policy. As far as Soldiers joining today, they need to make an informed decision.
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Concur. The same thing can be said about any policy that leaves room for interpretation...which is dang near all of them. CAB's are a great example. There are people who have them who don't deserve them and there are people that deserve them who don't have them because their Commanders interpreted the regulations differently. The definition of being engaged by the enemy included mortars within 1K for some while it involved the need to be within killing distance for others, while it required some to be in a direct fire fight based off of the commander's interpretation. Always has been...always will be. Some people will end up with reduction to E1, getting 45 and 45 and losing a month's worth of pay for UCMJ while another gets a letter of reprimad in their local file. You know the deal. This policy is just the soup-du-jour.
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BG Edward Burley
Always be careful what you wish for. Yes, if we have crystal-clear guidance that gives no room for interpretation, we will have a black-and-white yes-no standard. But is that what we want for commanders? The American military has always prided itself on relying on the good judgement of LEADERS who can evaluate the situation and decide based upon all the factors. Yes, there will be those who interpret things too liberally or too loosely (the CAB and UCMJ examples LTC Halvorson gives are good ones), but the alternative is making things so cut-and-dried that there is no need for a leader to make a decision. We've all seen leaders who can't make a decision on their own and fall back on regulations as a crutch - and we've gladly followed those who interpret guidance and made decisions that accomplish the mission and take care of troops. I'd trade a 100 rule-following automatons for one damn good leader!
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BG G E Sir, the last point you make is a great way to think about it. Working as a former Paralegal, I realized that a combination of leadership skills and use of the regulation are both important. If one were to just follow the book, you might as well put a computer in charge.
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COL (Join to see), Sir I strongly agree with the grandfather portion. It just hurt those who have served, most likely deployed, and went to college during a time of war. As far as enforcing the current rule, it should not be a problem because personnel are aware of the rule.
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This has to be a record for a republishing of AR 670-1. Remember when we went years wondering if they'd ever update it? And here we are less than 6 months from the major changes we've waited for years to get and they have the change to the change out already! Well at least someone up there on DA staff realized they needed to get the info changed ASAP. Probably didn't hurt to have a little Congressionial scrutiny on some of the changes.
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