Posted on Sep 9, 2014
Can troops talk to their chain of command these days?
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I was recently talking to my son-in-law about my time in the Army during the early to mid-90's. He was amazed at the story I told him of the time I let my squad leader borrow my car one day. My squad leader was an E-5 who was single and lived in the barracks. I was an E-3, married, and lived off post. I then told him some stories about my chain smoking platoon sergeant (E-7), and I have tons of stories about me and my old 1st Sgt. We broke the rules and fraternized quite often. My son-in-law is on AD right now and just made E-5. He told me that in today's Army you don't speak to your platoon Sgt, you certainly don't speak to your 1st Sgt, and you NEVER speak to your CSM. He reports that if you are speaking to any of them then you are more than likely in some kind of trouble.
I can recall speaking to my BN CSM many times, and occasionally even my BDE CSM. Both our CSM's would get out and roam the unit grounds and speak with soldiers all the time. Our BDE CSM loved to go to the motor pool and inspect the vehicles. (This was in an Infantry Brigade by the way.) CSM Fitzpatrick would frequently quiz you on general orders, AR 670-1 topics, and promotion board questions.
Our 1st SGT was very approachable and loved to talk with soldiers every day. He had his finger on the pulse of what the soldiers were thinking and feeling, that made him invaluable to the CO, and is probably why he enjoyed a 34 year career in the Army, with over a decade as a CSM.
My son-in-law tells me that today's military is no longer like this and that the troops basically do not communicate with the higher up's. If the troops can't even talk to their platoon sergeant, then how is the 1st SGT going to get reliable info to the CO? How does the CO forward any useful info up the chain from there? This is distressing to me, I've read articles from troops saying that they feel disrespected and do not plan to re-enlist because of this situation. I know our morale is down right now, but it seems that our current command structure may be causing much of this. What say you?
I can recall speaking to my BN CSM many times, and occasionally even my BDE CSM. Both our CSM's would get out and roam the unit grounds and speak with soldiers all the time. Our BDE CSM loved to go to the motor pool and inspect the vehicles. (This was in an Infantry Brigade by the way.) CSM Fitzpatrick would frequently quiz you on general orders, AR 670-1 topics, and promotion board questions.
Our 1st SGT was very approachable and loved to talk with soldiers every day. He had his finger on the pulse of what the soldiers were thinking and feeling, that made him invaluable to the CO, and is probably why he enjoyed a 34 year career in the Army, with over a decade as a CSM.
My son-in-law tells me that today's military is no longer like this and that the troops basically do not communicate with the higher up's. If the troops can't even talk to their platoon sergeant, then how is the 1st SGT going to get reliable info to the CO? How does the CO forward any useful info up the chain from there? This is distressing to me, I've read articles from troops saying that they feel disrespected and do not plan to re-enlist because of this situation. I know our morale is down right now, but it seems that our current command structure may be causing much of this. What say you?
Edited 10 y ago
Posted 10 y ago
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Are we talking "hanging out" or are talking "I have an issue I want to bring up to the boss"? If's a matter of hanging out, fraternization is still prohibited and should not be tolerated....but that does not mean you cannot be sociable and friendly when its appropriate. Sticking your head in my office and saying "what up!" is not appropriate. Saying "good morning sir/sergeant, how was your weekend?" is totally appropriate. Your command team will usually set the tone for that. If it's a matter of the latter, that sounds like a poor command climate. There are certain protocols to go up the chain with issues, but "never" is should not be anywhere in those protocols.
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SPC Christopher Buckalew
My SIL was speaking in terms of being able to go to his higher ups with a problem or an issue.
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LTC Paul Labrador
Then it sounds to me that it's a poor command climate. Again, "never" should not be the protocols to talk to higher. If Soldiers feel that they are not allowed to come to me if all other junior leaders couldn't figure out the problem, then that is a serious issue. If it's really bad, an IG investigation may be called for.
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SPC Christopher Buckalew
Sir, as an E-5, what can he realistically do without making his life miserable? He doesn't have a pressing issue mind you, but if he did, there's not much he can do about it for fear of making his day life a living hell. I'm in the corporate world now and I see this same type situation all the time. We recently had a Director at our hospital who was fired for going over his bosses head to complain about her! He knew he would get nowhere by complaining to her bc she was the problem. One e-mail later and she fired him.
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LTC Paul Labrador
But is it "bitching" or a legitimate gripe? And as an NCO, even a junior one, he has junior soldiers to think about. If it is bad for him, think about how much worse it is for his PV1s.
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I as a team leader ask my Soldiers to speak to me first if it is an issue that I may be able to help with. If I can't do anything I will ask that the Section NCOIC speak with us... and so on. As far as PS or 1SG.... the soldiers are free to speak with them as they have an open door policy. I do however ask that the Soldiers have the common courtesy to let me know and I will make sure it happens. I have NEVER told my Soldiers that they can't talk to someone other than myself. They will not "hang out" with them though. Because we are an S&R shop, PS and 1SG are asking all the time what we are working on. BN CSM and BN C MD are in our shop a lot also. Sorry so long.
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That's the way it is in my company. We were told by our team leaders not to talk to anyone above E-5 unless they talked to us first.
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SPC Christopher Buckalew
Wow, that's ridiculous. Who exactly teaches, trains, and mentors the next generation then?
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