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My unit has recently made a change to our SUTA policy. For a MUTA2 we would have to come in two days. For example, if I needed to SUTA a weekend drill, MUTA4, I would need to make up four days. Do other units do this as well?
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1SG Civil Affairs Specialist
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Other units do it, but I don't agree with it.
An RST is rescheduled training. It should have the same training schedule to the extent possible as the time missed. Having the Soldier come in for two days is a passive-aggressive way to try to deter RST requests.
And for what? Busy work?

This First Sergeant says no.
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SGM Andres Turner
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By the regs, yep they can make you do 4 days for a MUTA 4. A UTA is no less than 4 hours, no more than 12. You are getting 4 days pay for a weekend drill (4 UTAs). Most units don't do this. My unit did, and I advocated for it. You have the drill calendar a year in advance. In my particular case, you screwed your tank crew when you weren't there. There will always be mitigating circumstances, but you weren't drafted. Before I became AGR, I never knew about SUTAs because the leadership in my M-Day unit did everything they could to discourage it. It is a cancer that spreads because Senior Leadership enables it. This is my opinion, but it is very disheartening to know that you are at 95%+ strength and look at a drill floor and see 75%. It screws your fellow Soldiers, but if that's okay in your unit, drive on. What is this passive-aggressive shit? There is right or wrong and you can paint it any shade you want, Top. Still smells like bad leadership.
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1SG Civil Affairs Specialist
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SGM Andres Turner, I hate RSTs with a passion and am not a liberal grantor of them. Leadership means telling people no sometimes.
I can count on my fingers on one hand how many RSTs I've even had requested, much less approved in the past year. What my Soldiers know is that when they RST, they will be spending some quality time with me (I am a FTUS) building a training plan for a future event.
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CSM Assistant Field Office Director
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SUTAs are for emergencies only, period... Each unit is different and who allows SUTAs varies from unit to unit. As a former 1SG, my readiness people knew they could not authorize a SUTA without my consent. All requests were made in writing an sent to me by the SM. The problem is that JOE plays Mom &DaD crap with the COC. END IT,
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1SG Jeffrey Grice
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I am with 1SG (Join to see) , in my 5 years as a 1SG, very rarely have a recommended to my many CDRs granting a RST, which I think has been mentioned, is equivalent training. And thinking back, think they have all taken my guidance (smart on their part:). Not only that, I demand some sort of documentation for anyone that is asking to miss drill.

Being in a CAV unit, if a Soldier misses GST training, IWQ, maneuver training or a gunnery table, how can they make that up during the week? They can't! Unfortunately many CDRs (and 1SGs) don't understand the true policies and grant them and have Soldiers come in during the week and serve as paper pushers or armory cleaning.

Today's military and many leadership are afraid of telling their Soldiers NO (that's a whole other topic). If you allow the Soldier to miss drill (if mission allows it), then code them as authorized excused absence.
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SPC (Join to see) I won't ask your unit but what state? Since they are requiring you to drill two days for the one you missed, they are still required to pay you for each days work. If they aren't, they should be reported. If they are, I'm impressed by their budget and disappointed in their poor management technique. That is not the point of a SUTA and it should not be punitive in nature. Yours is the first unit (I've served in 3 different state NG) I've heard of doing this.
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SFC, no I only got paid for two days for the four I made up.
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1SG Military Police
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Payroll fraud, even in the National Guard, is still a Federal crime.
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SSG S1 Personnel Nco
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I believe they do that because we get paid 2 active duty days for one day drill. So if u conduct a muta 1 which is just 4 hours you got paid for 1 full active duty day. That's why they were making you come in for 4 days.
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SSG (Join to see) Although it would work to the unit's benefit and discourage SUTAs if it worked that way, by the pay regulation it doesn't. You are required to make up the time missed IDT day for IDT day. Another issue this tactic brings up is this SPC (Join to see) : what if the Soldier gets hurt on the day they are NOT paying her for? The Soldier isn't legally covered AND the resulting 15-6 investigation will probably result in the commander being relieved and the full time staff facing UCMJ action.
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SGT Richard Ellis
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Too many troops have abused the system. Plus on a drill weekend you are getting 4 days pay for 2 days work. if you SUTA/RUTA you are also missing out on scheduled training.

Yes there are some times that something unexpected comes up. But like I said, some guys abuse the system and ruined it for everybody.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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While that is true SGT Richard Ellis, IMHO, The makeup of the missed UTAs has to at least be commensurate in time with the drill that was performed. If the drill required 12 hour shifts, then 2, 6 hour days to make up a MUTA-2 for that specific drill period would be fair. If it was an in garrison, 2 work day drill than the soldier shouldn't be required to do more that what others have done for the same period.

Then again, this policy maybe a way to discourage SUTAs which falls into what you are saying about the abuse.
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SGT Richard Ellis agreed 100%. Isn't it interesting how many people need RSTs on field drill weekends, and how few seem to need them for garrison drills? I'm not saying everyone is a scam artist, but there has to be something to limit the RST requests.
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SPC William Weedman
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When I was in the Guard, I spent more time on detail weekends as medical support than with my own unit (Seriously 6-8 weekends with other units that needed medical support each FY) It seemed on field weekends, I had a fellow soldier who couldn't make the field drill weekend, but I heard about the concert or whatever activity they did instead of making the drill weekend. They were the ones that moaned the most about the "unfair" make-up policy.
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