Posted on Oct 18, 2016
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Soldier went on leave and came back, was supposed to sign in by midnight and didn't sign in until 0400, 4 hours past authorized leave. Same soldier then text his nco that "he didn't get enough sleep and was not going to come to PT". His battle who picked him up from the airport also sent the same text to the same nco. A different soldier said he received a snapchat message from soldier 2 at 2030 the previous night showing soldier 1&2 out on the town drinking. What would your corrective training be if you were the nco?
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MGySgt James Forward
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A few choices, first I like to keep things out of record books (career killer crap) when appropriate. I would roust the two out of the rack and have them "escorted" them to the PT field by any number of capable NCO's. They would participate in the PT run to the end of planned activities, then we would discuss the 0400 sign in. What about the missed 4 hours? Personal counseling sheet on both personal: 1) appointed place of duty, 2) partying on leave is okay, but not to the point of not being able to toe the line for formation or work schedule, 3) missing your 0000 sign in is considered UA (unauthorized absence). I would suspect that the reason he did not sing in was because he was to intoxicated. Any further occurrences will be forward up the chain of command for appropriate action at an Article 15.
The Master Gunny would like to take these two on a little run to the top of Margarita Peak at Camp Pendleton. They might leave a puke trail for you to follow. Semper Fi,
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SSG(P) Casualty Operations Ncoic
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Pure awesomeness, Master Guns!
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Cpl Justin Goolsby
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Great answer Master Guns. Semper Fidelis.
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CAPT Kevin B.
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I'll add that my NCO community always gets the first shots at this stuff but know what the trip flares are to send it my direction. I deal with nothing unless the SEL and XO need me to. Generally this stuff has about a 50/50 chance of working out well and I don't want sticky paper hanging over the ones that see the light. The other ones weren't around long as a rule. We had too much real mission and didn't need sand in the gears.
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SPC Erich Guenther
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Yup, this sounds on the money.
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SFC Chad Sowash
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Possibly an Article 15 (it's not always that cut and dry). I do not believe it's hard to correct integrity - it's our jobs as NCOs to do just that. As a Sr. NCO we are taught to take everything into account and provide counseling specific to the infraction. These counseling sessions would not merely be focused on the traditional "corrective training opportunities", they would also include heightened awareness of how these infractions damage the very fabric of the team. I have on several occasions selected movies and books which illustrate these areas, have the soldiers read/watch, and write an essay on the actual subject. As an Infantry Drill Sergeant - be assured - there would also be physical actions as well. Depending on the solider's past infractions there could be many creative variants of physical actions (ie soldiers lead every PT session for 2 mos - xtra duty etc.) and intellectual ways an NCO could deal with this situation. Just remember, slapping an Article 15 on a soldier is never the extent of an answer - an NCO must lead by teaching, not just punishing.
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SSG(P) Casualty Operations Ncoic
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Great response!
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Cpl Justin Goolsby
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Honestly, you've been put in a hard spot. You have 2 options to go. Official paperwork, or in house paperwork. Personally I prefer the in house approach because if they don't straighten up the first time, you can go straight up the chain of command with official paperwork. I definitely agree with Master Guns. It's your place to tell them where to be, not their place to tell you whether or not they show up. So I'd show up on their doorstep an hour before PT is set to start to make sure they are up and ready. It sucks for you being their NCO, but thems the breaks in a leadership role. I don't understand why he signed back in late. If it's after working hours, he still could have signed in and enjoyed the rest of his night. If his flight was delayed which seems like the lie he's trying to use, then he should also be aware that he's supposed to keep his NCOs in the loop regarding any change in travel plans/flights delays etc.

It's not your responsibility to make sure he gets a full nights sleep, it's his. And his mismanagement of his own liberty/leave is going to force him to suffer the consequences. Then you should tell him that you are aware of their lies and punish accordingly. I don't know if they're repeat offenders. But they should be made aware of the seriousness of their actions. Document everything because like I said, if they step out of line or mouth off or whatever, then you can just put it in the command's hands and wash your hands clean of them.

You can't be their buddy in this though. They need to know they are being punished.
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CW3 Kevin Storm
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Getting caught in a lie, they think you are stupid, and are walking on you. We go from AWOL, to just F-it and go party down town, no F the morning PT. Sorry that is a three strike offense. Were it I, recommendation for a field grade.
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