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Officers and NCO's please give some opinion!<br>
Posted 11 y ago
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1. Trust but verify! <div><br></div><div>2. You are not "in charge" - your NCOs are in charge; you are responsible. There is a huge difference. When something goes wrong, the question will be "who is responsible for this?" not who did it. And if you start to explain who did it, you are making an excuse and blaming Soldiers. You will go down in flames. Never let your NCOs push you aside saying that they will handle everything, because ultimately you are responsible, not them - and they know it.</div><div><br></div><div>3. Fix it. See #2. If something goes wrong, fix it. Figure out who did it and how to prevent it from happening again later. First, fix it. If you can't, get help. Bad news never gets better with time. Never sit on bad news. Situations get beyond anyone's ability to help you faster than you can imagine. People will figure out that you knew, but didn't speak up even faster, and you will be the one in hot water...see #2.</div><div><br></div><div>4. Avoid giving away your authority by trying to borrow someone else's. What is the difference between saying, "Do this" and "CPT So-and-so says do this"? A lot. You have the authority to give the order so give it. Putting another person's name with it indicates a lack of confidence and/or a lack of agreement with the order. If your NCO asks why, you should know the answer well enough without having to invoke someone else's name ("Because they are due to HRC by the 7th," not "Because the XO wants it that way"). BTW, "why" is not an unfair question. Understanding why helps everyone make the mission a success.</div><div><br></div><div>5. Stay in your lane. There is an O lane, a WO lane, an NCO lane, and a Joe lane. Part of the O lane is making sure people stay in theirs. This does NOT mean leave it to your NCOs...see #2. The O lane is kind of sucky most of the time. Lots of paperwork, reports, PowerPoint slides, etc., but this is how your tell your section/unit's story, how you get resources for your Soldiers, and how you make sure your issues stay on the bigger radar. If you are running around directing your Soldiers (in the NCO lane) or rolling up your sleeves to work along side your Soldiers (the Joe lane), who is doing your job?...NO ONE. There is no one but you to do your job, so you better be doing it.</div><div><br></div><div>6. Never try to cover up the fact that you do not know what you are doing. You are an LT. People know you do not know what you are doing. Pretending that you do isn't fooling anyone. It is more impressive to ask the right questions than it is to screw things up by trying to go it alone.</div><div><br></div><div>7. Make sure you are asking the right questions. Don't expect someone else to hand you all the answers. Take the time to do some research on your own. Google is your friend. Better not come in saying, "I don't know how to do this," but rather, "sir/ma'am, it looks like I could take approach A, B, or C and I want to clarify what you are looking for."</div><div><br></div><div>8. Make sure you are asking the right people. See #5. If it is an O lane task, do not ask your NCO (and if it is something your NCO should be doing, best not ask an O). WOs are the exception, if one is willing to help, take that and learn all you can. If the CDRs intent is unclear, back brief him/her to make sure you've got it. Don't ask someone else who didn't hear the request and/or doesn't know your CDR.</div><div><br></div><div>9. Keep lines of communication open at all times. Famous last words, "too easy, ma'am," or "I got this, sir" or any derivation of the same. If Soldiers are saying it to you, see #1. Delegation is your number one job, but make sure they feel like they can come back to you, and if they don't, you go and close the loop. If you are saying it, how will you feel when you hit a roadblock? Stick with, "I'll get right on this," then move out sharply (you've got a lot of Googling to do and no time to waste).</div><div><br></div><div>10. Be able to laugh at yourself, but do not tolerate being belittled. My first time ever in a motor pool I was there to do inventory and mistook an industrial freezer for a pressure washer. I laughed right along with the guys, but beware of practical jokes or people who play "stump the chump" games with you. You do that stuff to each other as cadets, right? Because you are comfortable with each other and you are at the same level. The senior leadership might do that to you, too. They out rank you. When your NCOs are doing this to you or worse, your Soldiers, look at the first two examples and see where that puts you in their eyes. It's a red flag. </div><div><br></div><div>11. You will need friends badly - so make the right ones, and now is the best time. Don't be a jerk to you fellow cadets and LTs because you will need them for support down the road. Being an officer is very lonely. Having good peer friends will help you to avoid #12.</div><div><br></div><div>12. Your Soldiers are not your friends. Do not confide your personal problems in them and never, ever confide your disagreements or issues with you unit leadership with them. They need to be able to confide in you. You are there to support them, not the other way around. Never tell a Soldier something that you are hoping they will keep confident - because they won't, and it's not a fair position to put them in. I don't think "friending" non-peers on Facebook or other social sites where your personal life is discussed is a good idea for as long as you are in the same chain of command. Or ever, if you are a social media over-sharer. </div><div><br></div><div>...and that's what I learned about being an LT. I wish I could say I did all of this perfectly or learned it without a few solid ass chewings...but as they say, "today's ass chewing is tomorrow's funny story" so keep your chin up. </div><div><br></div><div>Now, what I learned about being a female officer is a separate topic.</div>
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SGT Scott Bailey
That was really kind of you CPT for taking the time to give the young LT a good perspective. I do agree, don't socialize with subordinates. They won't respect your orders and will actually refuse them. And true, never trust ANYONE with a secret! Nice job CPT!
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Great response, the only thing I would add is that you need to learn how to ask the right questions. I've been burned several times, usually under a time crunch, when asking to broad of a question and then finding the answer I was given was not exactly the truth I needed. As an example, prior to a convoy instead of asking if the trucks are ready ask very specific questions like which trucks don't have working radios or which trucks have less than 3/4 of a tank. A question like are the trucks ready could be true just because they running. As a convoy commander you really need to know if any trucks won't have comms or if you need to fill up somewhere before continuing the mission. That's just one example but the better you get at asking yourself what you really need to know before asking a question the more accurate the response you'll get.
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Lessons I learned as an Officer:
1. Being unfairly 'relieved- for- cause' as a 1LT is not the end of the world especially if you give a fair and written rebuttal to your situation. I was relieved as S1 for not making the daily battle update briefs. I had no S1 PAC nco (he was on the main post and no cell phone coms either) and nobody was with me (not even the S4) at the CTCP at Yakima training range in 2002. The Bn XO said not to worry and he would inform the battalion commander and yet I had nobody there to give me a ride nor go in my place and the battalion commander fired me anyways. I had gotten screwed said my fomer company commander (at the time an Xo for an MP BN). My documentation did not prevent me from being approved for CPT by the Army Promotion board in 2003. I took my promotion delay letter for 3 years delay on taking my 0-3.
2. If you are in the ARNG: if you make 0-3 on the promotion board and you can't get promoted in your unit due to politics or no slots and you want your rank now instead of later, don't take the promotion delay letter from HRC but leave the unit and go into the IRR get your 0-3/CPT and go back in the ARNG or go in the USAR and find a slot.
3. Acting battalion Commander/Major can't be your Senior rater on an OER.This happened to me. The Brigade G3 made him rewrite it as the rater and write it more fairly than it was originally and the G3 became the Senior Rater.
4. Get your rater and senior rater's support form and try to see where you need to be with schools or experience to work on his job experience and qualifications and get promoted.
5. Be physically fit and maintain a 290+ or 300 on your apft. I was not the best officer in the past but my APFT score overcame alot of discrimination. When a 40 something officer could run under 14 minutes and go over the max on pushups and situps,it made the commanders think differently of me. Just my wisdom as an older soldier.
I look forward to reading your comments so I can continue to grow as well.
1. Being unfairly 'relieved- for- cause' as a 1LT is not the end of the world especially if you give a fair and written rebuttal to your situation. I was relieved as S1 for not making the daily battle update briefs. I had no S1 PAC nco (he was on the main post and no cell phone coms either) and nobody was with me (not even the S4) at the CTCP at Yakima training range in 2002. The Bn XO said not to worry and he would inform the battalion commander and yet I had nobody there to give me a ride nor go in my place and the battalion commander fired me anyways. I had gotten screwed said my fomer company commander (at the time an Xo for an MP BN). My documentation did not prevent me from being approved for CPT by the Army Promotion board in 2003. I took my promotion delay letter for 3 years delay on taking my 0-3.
2. If you are in the ARNG: if you make 0-3 on the promotion board and you can't get promoted in your unit due to politics or no slots and you want your rank now instead of later, don't take the promotion delay letter from HRC but leave the unit and go into the IRR get your 0-3/CPT and go back in the ARNG or go in the USAR and find a slot.
3. Acting battalion Commander/Major can't be your Senior rater on an OER.This happened to me. The Brigade G3 made him rewrite it as the rater and write it more fairly than it was originally and the G3 became the Senior Rater.
4. Get your rater and senior rater's support form and try to see where you need to be with schools or experience to work on his job experience and qualifications and get promoted.
5. Be physically fit and maintain a 290+ or 300 on your apft. I was not the best officer in the past but my APFT score overcame alot of discrimination. When a 40 something officer could run under 14 minutes and go over the max on pushups and situps,it made the commanders think differently of me. Just my wisdom as an older soldier.
I look forward to reading your comments so I can continue to grow as well.
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<p>In lieu of all the great advice you've been given thus far...I'll leave you with 3 rules that you should remember always as a newly minted 2LT.</p><p> </p><p>Rule #1: Always look cool. </p><p>Rule #2: Never get lost. </p><p>Rule #3: If you do get lost, revert back to rule #1</p>
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Sir,
This would be great, if it weren't for the fact that every 2LT is already lost, and rarely looks cool, lol.
This would be great, if it weren't for the fact that every 2LT is already lost, and rarely looks cool, lol.
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CPT (Join to see)
1: Forget everything you learned from your commissioning source.
2: Start learning about 5988s.
3: Forget about the mythical DA 31. Â
2: Start learning about 5988s.
3: Forget about the mythical DA 31. Â
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Lt Col (Join to see)
And to think, I almost thought there weren't any more true philosophers out there! This is damn funny, and there is always some truth in jest. Capt Wolfer getting more than 70 likes is more than noteworthy as well.
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<div>I have to say that this is one of the best articles that I have read. It pretty much covers it. </div><div><br></div><div>I would also say that you need to compliment your platoon sergeant. Keep in mind there are NCOs that are against officers. Some NCOs I have ran into pretty much want to keep you out of the picture. I would not let that happen. They are many great NCOs out there but as someone said in the post trust but verify.</div><div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://m1res.pgpic.com/t/286"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.military1.com/army/article/647-dont-be-a-douche-15-rules-to-effectively-lead-a-platoon">'Don't be a douche': 15 rules to effectively lead a platoon</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">Military News: 'Don't be a douche': 15 rules to effectively lead a platoon</div></div><div style="clear:both"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div>
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2LT Laurie (your last name is too much to type, but oddly enough this isn't), You are correct that I don't have any idea how much I have no clue they love to ruck. I have never seen them leave with inches of their vehicles when in the field. I thought they were all tied down to the vehicle so they or the vehicle wouldn't get lost.
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LTC Jason Mackay
It is so people do not steal everything from the vehicles, bit, and ovum they are signed for.
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MAJ Dallas D.
CPT (Join to see) Great article. Nick is a great guy and still a great leader. Ranger Up is doing great, thanks to his leadership.
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I have had 2 bad platoon sergeants that ran to the commander to stab me in the back. Later, after I was transferred, the CSM was disciplining them. Anyways, respect learn and work with the PSG to buy into your plan....I have other advice since I had problems with an occasional commander...read on...
Lessons I learned as an Officer:
1. Being unfairly 'relieved- for- cause' as a 1LT is not the end of the world especially if you give a fair and written rebuttal to your situation. I was relieved as S1 for not making the daily battle update briefs. I had no S1 PAC nco (he was on the main post and no cell phone coms either) and nobody was with me (not even the S4) at the CTCP at Yakima training range in 2002. The Bn XO said not to worry and he would inform the battalion commander and yet I had nobody there to give me a ride nor go in my place and the battalion commander fired me anyways. I had gotten screwed said my fomer company commander (at the time an Xo for an MP BN). My documentation did not prevent me from being approved for CPT by the Army Promotion board in 2003. I took my promotion delay letter for 3 years delay on taking my 0-3.
2. If you are in the ARNG: if you make 0-3 on the promotion board and you can't get promoted in your unit due to politics or no slots and you want your rank now instead of later, don't take the promotion delay letter from HRC but leave the unit and go into the IRR get your 0-3/CPT and go back in the ARNG or go in the USAR and find a slot.
3. Acting battalion Commander/Major can't be your Senior rater on an OER.This happened to me. The Brigade G3 made him rewrite it as the rater and write it more fairly than it was originally and the G3 became the Senior Rater.
4. Get your rater and senior rater's support form and try to see where you need to be with schools or experience to work on his job experience and qualifications and get promoted.
5. Be physically fit and maintain a 290+ or 300 on your apft. I was not the best officer in the past but my APFT score overcame alot of discrimination. When a 40 something officer could run under 14 minutes and go over the max on pushups and situps,it made the commanders think differently of me. Just my wisdom as an older soldier.
I look forward to reading your comments so I can continue to grow as well.
Lessons I learned as an Officer:
1. Being unfairly 'relieved- for- cause' as a 1LT is not the end of the world especially if you give a fair and written rebuttal to your situation. I was relieved as S1 for not making the daily battle update briefs. I had no S1 PAC nco (he was on the main post and no cell phone coms either) and nobody was with me (not even the S4) at the CTCP at Yakima training range in 2002. The Bn XO said not to worry and he would inform the battalion commander and yet I had nobody there to give me a ride nor go in my place and the battalion commander fired me anyways. I had gotten screwed said my fomer company commander (at the time an Xo for an MP BN). My documentation did not prevent me from being approved for CPT by the Army Promotion board in 2003. I took my promotion delay letter for 3 years delay on taking my 0-3.
2. If you are in the ARNG: if you make 0-3 on the promotion board and you can't get promoted in your unit due to politics or no slots and you want your rank now instead of later, don't take the promotion delay letter from HRC but leave the unit and go into the IRR get your 0-3/CPT and go back in the ARNG or go in the USAR and find a slot.
3. Acting battalion Commander/Major can't be your Senior rater on an OER.This happened to me. The Brigade G3 made him rewrite it as the rater and write it more fairly than it was originally and the G3 became the Senior Rater.
4. Get your rater and senior rater's support form and try to see where you need to be with schools or experience to work on his job experience and qualifications and get promoted.
5. Be physically fit and maintain a 290+ or 300 on your apft. I was not the best officer in the past but my APFT score overcame alot of discrimination. When a 40 something officer could run under 14 minutes and go over the max on pushups and situps,it made the commanders think differently of me. Just my wisdom as an older soldier.
I look forward to reading your comments so I can continue to grow as well.
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