Posted on Oct 28, 2013
SGT(P) Jeren Fullmore
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I it completely makes no sense that a 2LT comes in almost making as much a 20 year SFC. Most enlisted personnel have degrees, just like the officers only difference is the rank. They should really figure out a way to make the chart fair. Cause Enlisted person works hard and sometimes hard at times than most officers. Just my personal prospective on it. No offense to any officer out there.
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The reality is that Officers are given more responsibility "overall." I agree, much of the time, the leadership and experience of the SNCO mentoring the Officer is what ultimately makes the gears mesh, but the final fault falls to the Officer if all comes crashing down. Should there be an incentive for those enlisted folks who have college degrees? Maybe, who am I to say? However, I think as a nation, we have many, many bigger fish to fry before we can afford to allow ourselves the luxury of debating the pay differential between Officers and Enlisted.

The effort expelled to promote the division between the Officers and Enlisted is what's most troublesome. This image that the Officers can't make mistakes and are "publicly" always right is what is most insulting to the Enlisted Corps. In many circles, Officers seem to want to project an image of infalability which only serves to undermine their rank and position. Admitting fault, displaying an ability to err as all humans seems to have become one of the lost arts of leadership.

In contrast, I have had the pleasure of serving with many fine officers, but, like the Enlisted Corps, it takes many years to learn that you can't know everything as a young E-? anymore than you can as a young O-?. Wisdom comes with experience, and experience comes with time and diversity. An LT or a Captain who thinks he/she knows it all is equally as dangerous as a PFC/A1C who think he/she knows it all. That's where our leadership and experience need to prevail and show them the way.
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SFC Josh Watson
SFC Josh Watson
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Well said, I was looking for a way to articulate exactly what you posted.
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PO1 Rudy Lopez
PO1 Rudy Lopez
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Nicely said.
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MAJ Derrick J.
MAJ Derrick J.
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I have found the more real I am the more my people accept when I blow it or misstep somehow.  Its rare that I do these days, but when it happens, I own it and I'll talk about it with my troops.

 

There is no point in promoting the fiction of infallibility - its a waste of time, its fake, it doesn't work as most people see through it and it creates a false expectation in the rest of the chain of command that its even possible to achieve.  Lets not mention that the pressure to conform to impossible standards is passed down through the ranks... invariably, someone gets a hold of that concept and uses it somehow to beat down and pressure those below them.

 

None of this acceptable in my eyes, and us officers are beholden to the expectation that we are not to promote this crap in our units, culture or our communities.

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SGM Matthew Quick
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SGT Fullmore, when you say "most enlisted personnel have degrees", where are you getting this information?

Also, the Army has many avenues for our enlisted force to apply for commissioning programs...if pay is your motivation, you may consider applying to a commissioning program.

Lastly, the way you write or post questions/responses, speaks volumes.
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SSG Kevin McCulley
SSG Kevin McCulley
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They have also been shuttering those avenues. I just had my last chance slammed in my face.. Silly me putting the mission first and what not. Ahh well.. It started a re-examination of my life and I'm T-15 months to ETS.
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I'll just say this...I would do this job for free if it meant
that my family and children could live a life of their choosing. However the
pay is almost in line with the private sector and anyway you look at it, if you
serve in the Armed Forces you are not out to become rich. Unless you have prepared
a bill free life style in which you could plug all of your money into
investments that have no risk and high yields of return. The complaint about
the unfair pay scale is only based on the experience of the individual needs.
If you have bills to pay and your debt to income is so high that you have
little to nothing to put into savings or investments then yes a pay raise would
benefit you. But why get paid more money for your choices that caused the
issues in the first place? 



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