Posted on Dec 4, 2013
Does being in a First Sergeant position that is outside your PMOS help you or hurt you when being looked at for CSM?
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Since you're asking about CSM and not SGM, then the answer would be that it is "considered".
Since the CSL can place you in Operating or Generating - you're experience is weighed as to where the Army can best use you.
I would surmise that it is would be more difficult to be high on the Operating CSM OML if you didn't have any Operating First Sergeant time. The same with the Generating OML.
Of course, we all want to think that our records/history is looked at sufficiently to determine where our S/K/As can be best utilized.
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Ok CSM,
Here is my situation I'm an 11Z5M and I just moved from a joint 11Z5M position to a 1SG in a 42A5M position in a DRU unit. I was just wondering if it matters for the next E-9 board or should I have my TDA slot changed to my MOS?
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CSM Mike Maynard
1SG Cottrell,
First you should get with your branch to determine what "Branch Qualification" is for your MOS. It might be 24 months as an 11Z5M or 36 months. You'll first want to ensure that you have completed your Branch Qualification.
So, if you aren't BQ'd, then I'd want it coded as the 11Z5M. If you are already BQ'd, this is just "bonus" time and having the 42A5M will add "diversity" to your record.
Now, of course, just being in the 42A5M position isn't going to "help" you, it's what you do with the opportunity. Let's say you accumulated an average 4/5 Exc and 1/1s on your 11Z5M NCOERs and then continued at that same pace being in a 42A5M position.
Now, that shows you have the ability to excel outside of your "normal" job and that you are adaptable. This, then, would be looked at as favorable and as a plus to the board.
Hope that helps explain how some situations are interpreted.
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I would have to agree with all answers. The selection board for us is looking for the well rounded leader. If CSM is you goal, 1SG time will increase your changes. When I was at the Academy our current SMA briefed us on that very topic. He mentioned that his intent was to have all graduates (US Army of course) complete at least one year staff before being selected for CSM. The current issue with that is there are not enough SGM/CSMs, who meet his criteria, to fill the open CSM slots each year. That is why they allow USASMA students to compete. Class 62 had about have their class selected either Primary or Secondary for the CSL. Class 63 had about 100 less than 62 but a large majority of that could have been because many did not compete. Any hard position that you do well in will benefit your chances of being selected for that next level.
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CSM Mike Maynard
When CSL was first instituted, Class 60 was not eligible because they wanted you to have 1-yr of SGM time before being considered for CSM.
Of course, 1-yr of SGM time, then board, notification and CoR ended up adding up to 2-yrs of SGM time.
So, since, the suggestion was for all CSMs to have at least 1-yr of SGM time, they did the math and figured if they let USASMA students compete, they would generally get their 1-yr of SGM time before getting into the CSM position.
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Helps...makes you a more well-rounded leader.
I have a few classmates at the Sergeants Major Course that were CMF 11 and 88 and worked as HHC/T 1SGs...they were selected. ;)
I have a few classmates at the Sergeants Major Course that were CMF 11 and 88 and worked as HHC/T 1SGs...they were selected. ;)
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