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This picture has stirred up some debate on Facebook because the Marine isn't saluting during the national anthem. In my nearly 10 years I have never seen a salute rendered indoors except when reporting to an officer or board, receiving a promotion or award, or by an individual on guard duty.
I've looked at AR 600-25 and it's not very clear to me. Armystudyguide.com says no you don't.
What's the correct answer?
I've looked at AR 600-25 and it's not very clear to me. Armystudyguide.com says no you don't.
What's the correct answer?
Posted >1 y ago
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AR 600-25 is not going to give you the answer on this. Army Regulations don't really apply to Naval Drill & Ceremonies.
You want the USMC Drill & Ceremonies Manual MCO P5060.20
1) Marines don't salute indoors.
2) We "generally" don't wear covers indoors, unless under arms (in possession of a weapon or on duty which is "figurative" armed).
3) The Marine in question is likely conforming to the Event: Cover on for appearances, but Gloves off (if we're outdoors in Blues gloves are on, if we're inside gloves are off).
4) The Anthem/Ensign rates a Salute or going to Attention, however, simply going to Attention would not "visible" on a stage, so rather than violating 1), he placed his hand on heart while at Attention which is a reasonable compromise.
So, he may have some "technical" errors but he maintains the Spirit of our (Naval Services) order in Priority and Protocol. No strict violations that I can see from the picture.
EDIT: Capt Joseph Olson Makes a GREAT point that there was "possibly" (I would say LIKELY) a Public Affairs/Information Officer there and this is a "Staged" Event, and the Marine had some "Directed" Actions.
The Location on the stage makes it "impossible" to face the Ensign (which is displayed on the screen), and "difficult" to face the Music to render Honors (without becoming a distraction to the Performer). This goes back to 3) Conforming to the Event.
You want the USMC Drill & Ceremonies Manual MCO P5060.20
1) Marines don't salute indoors.
2) We "generally" don't wear covers indoors, unless under arms (in possession of a weapon or on duty which is "figurative" armed).
3) The Marine in question is likely conforming to the Event: Cover on for appearances, but Gloves off (if we're outdoors in Blues gloves are on, if we're inside gloves are off).
4) The Anthem/Ensign rates a Salute or going to Attention, however, simply going to Attention would not "visible" on a stage, so rather than violating 1), he placed his hand on heart while at Attention which is a reasonable compromise.
So, he may have some "technical" errors but he maintains the Spirit of our (Naval Services) order in Priority and Protocol. No strict violations that I can see from the picture.
EDIT: Capt Joseph Olson Makes a GREAT point that there was "possibly" (I would say LIKELY) a Public Affairs/Information Officer there and this is a "Staged" Event, and the Marine had some "Directed" Actions.
The Location on the stage makes it "impossible" to face the Ensign (which is displayed on the screen), and "difficult" to face the Music to render Honors (without becoming a distraction to the Performer). This goes back to 3) Conforming to the Event.
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SFC Rick Rhodes
SGT Mike Clark - As a retired Army Veteran and season ticket holder to the Tampa Lightning, I started saluting the flag at games in the indoor arena as soon as those two laws were passed. I think it provides a level of respect for the flag that non-veterans cannot show and brings honor to the flag and our brother's and sister's that gave the ultimate sacrifice.
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COL William Oseles
IF "The Anthem/Ensign rates a Salute or going to Attention", then he should have saluted.
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During Bush 43's watch, he signed an Executive Order which provided the RIGHT, not OBLIGATION, to all US military personnel, whether active, retired, Reserves, Guard, or simply former military personnel, to salute the US flag or render a salute during playing of the National Anthem: whether indoors or outdoors, covered or not covered, in uniform or in civilian clothes. The order was intended to clear up any confusion and to spell out all possible scenarios. However, under previous directives or even generations-old, military traditions, this Marine should be saluting. That said, he may simply be performing this "hand-over-heart gesture" to emphasize to the crowd the proper manner in which we all should honor our National Flag during the playing or singing of our National Anthem. My take.
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SPC Chris Ison you do it however it trips your trigger. I will salute whenever and wherevat that flag is waved. I earned that right the first day I served, even though I didn't leave for 33 years. All these Regs waving Squids and Jarheads can kiss my Grits.
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GySgt John Olson What's the SOB gonna do? Send US marshals after you and have you arrested?
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SPC Chris Ison Some dork? What is your problem? A citizen of this country wants to say thank you, and you have the fucking unmitigated gall to call him or her a dork? Personally......no I just decided not to go there. I'll let the RP system do the talking.
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SGT Mike Clark
I love your forthrightness! I've known a few long-service Navy chiefs, and this must be a common characteristic. I was Army, but I love and respect the Navy.
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If he is wearing his cover he should salute.
From US Navy Regulations Section 1205
"Whenever the National Anthem is played, all naval service personnel not in formation shall stand at attention and face the national ensign. .... When covered, they shall come to the salute at the first note of the anthem, and shall remain at the salute until the last note of the anthem."
So the actual question is should he have been covered?
From US Navy Regulations Section 1205
"Whenever the National Anthem is played, all naval service personnel not in formation shall stand at attention and face the national ensign. .... When covered, they shall come to the salute at the first note of the anthem, and shall remain at the salute until the last note of the anthem."
So the actual question is should he have been covered?
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To all that have never done a public relations event, the rules pretty much go out the window so that you can be seen but not be in the way and that you look like a marine corps recruiting add. It’s an event and so everything that marine was doing was gone over over and over again and practice runs were done just as many times as it was talked about. This isn’t a normal day of oh your passing through a building or watching a game in the stands in uniform or out.
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MSgt Andre Stringer
GySgt John Olson - It was Col. R. Bruce Chrisholm telling me the flags were out of position.
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