NCOER
NCOER
Posted on Sep 27, 2017
Can a senior rater have influence on rater's comments? How can a service member appeal what he/she was rated has ?
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First, evaluations should be an ongoing team effort involving ALL parties and really should be a roll-up your quarterly counseling sessions with input from the NCOER support form. If there is disagreement between the raters, then that indicates a problem with the evaluation process throughout the rating period.
As you know, the rater will provide the meat of the evaluation and should have on hand the documentation and facts needed to support the bullet comments. The senior rater can have influence but really should not force a rater to make changes to the comments unless those comments are verifiably incorrect. For example, if you have a negative bullet because a Soldier is consistently late and takes extra effort find motivation to do the job, that behavior should have been addressed and documented with a DA 4856. If the senior rater wants you to give the soldier a break and give a kinder evaluation, and you have the documentation to support the negative bullet, then you should stick with your guns. It may take senior leadership involvement to resolve this issue.
As far as appeals go..refer to AR 623-205 (chapter 4 and appendix F). It contains all of the policies and procedures that need to be followed. Requests must contain, as a minimum, a memorandum from the NCO, a copy of the report in question, and supporting documentation. All documents submitted that are not on the NCO’s OMPF or are not an original copy, must be certified.
As you know, the rater will provide the meat of the evaluation and should have on hand the documentation and facts needed to support the bullet comments. The senior rater can have influence but really should not force a rater to make changes to the comments unless those comments are verifiably incorrect. For example, if you have a negative bullet because a Soldier is consistently late and takes extra effort find motivation to do the job, that behavior should have been addressed and documented with a DA 4856. If the senior rater wants you to give the soldier a break and give a kinder evaluation, and you have the documentation to support the negative bullet, then you should stick with your guns. It may take senior leadership involvement to resolve this issue.
As far as appeals go..refer to AR 623-205 (chapter 4 and appendix F). It contains all of the policies and procedures that need to be followed. Requests must contain, as a minimum, a memorandum from the NCO, a copy of the report in question, and supporting documentation. All documents submitted that are not on the NCO’s OMPF or are not an original copy, must be certified.
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Yes,
But its up to the Rater to capture the picture and if the SR has seen something that he/she missed then they can bring it to the attention of the Rater.
But its up to the Rater to capture the picture and if the SR has seen something that he/she missed then they can bring it to the attention of the Rater.
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SGT,
You can tell the rater you don't like something, but its up to the Rater to capture the picture. I have been in such situation, where the SR and Rater were basically arguing over comments on my NCOER and the Rater specifically said he was not changing it. So like I stated its up to the Rater to capture the picture.
You can tell the rater you don't like something, but its up to the Rater to capture the picture. I have been in such situation, where the SR and Rater were basically arguing over comments on my NCOER and the Rater specifically said he was not changing it. So like I stated its up to the Rater to capture the picture.
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1SG(P) (Join to see)
SSG Aaron Marshall - I create a calendar that covers each month. At the end of the day I write down what I accomplished and what I didnt accomplish. I do this the entire time so that when it comes time for my NCOER, example, I just left an organization and I had a copy of my calendar and had my NCOER prewritten. I gave it to him about 75 days out and told him to do what he needed, but I provided him with substance that way there couldnt be any guessing or I dont remembers. He was able to show that to the Senior Rater and that is what everyone went with. He wrote the NCOER the way he felt it needed to be written with my substance and his and the Senior Rater used that as well to balance at the end. Just a little tool that I use, figured I would share it.
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SSG Aaron Marshall
1SG(P) (Join to see) - I use something similar to that only with a word doc. I write down everything I did for the week.
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Okay, assume I am the senior rater. That means I probably rate the rater.
Enough said. Of course I would have influence.
Now would I try to use it to have the rater do other than he/she sees as right. No, I wouldn't. But, I speak only for myself.
Enough said. Of course I would have influence.
Now would I try to use it to have the rater do other than he/she sees as right. No, I wouldn't. But, I speak only for myself.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
That's not always the case in the Army. As a 2LT, my rater would have been the Company Commander, but my Senior Rater was the BN XO. The Company Commander would have been rated by the Battalion Commander, I don't really remember who my senior rater was as CO. I can tell you that a Favorable rating from my Senior Rater probably saved my Career as a Lieutenant when I had a CO that slammed me (and everyone else he rated BTW).
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