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My ETS date is July 20th, 2021. My spouse is pregnant with our second child. She has a high risk pregnancy with an induction date of April 3rd, 2021. However, I have an ALC report date of April 7th, 2021. I submitted a deferral 4187 from the course with all of the information that I have provided. However, my command is trying to make me sign a Dec Statement. (Flag code 9Q)
I'd like to know more about my options. Am I still eligible for my TA, a Career Skills Program (CSP), and does it affect my DD214?
Also, for more information. Promotion Points to SSG have been maxed out for roughly 1 ½ years and I do not hold a Promotable Status.
Any advice or alternate ways around this if it affects the ways I'm asking about? Thank you for your time.
I'd like to know more about my options. Am I still eligible for my TA, a Career Skills Program (CSP), and does it affect my DD214?
Also, for more information. Promotion Points to SSG have been maxed out for roughly 1 ½ years and I do not hold a Promotable Status.
Any advice or alternate ways around this if it affects the ways I'm asking about? Thank you for your time.
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DO NOT SIGN A DEC STATEMENT ULESS YOU PLAN ON GETTING OUT! Contact your branch PME individual and explain and they can drop you
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Thank you! Do you know where I would be able to find my Branch PME number? Is it through HRC?
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I do not plan on reenlisting and I do plan on getting out. I want to know more information on these Dec Statements, if possible, SSG. Thank you!
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It will be on the HRC site. It’s the professional development individual.
Signing a DEC statement doesn’t take away any benefits. It does prevent you from being promoted, but is mainly a tool for managing slots as you will be classified as a known loss for HRC and they can prepare to fill your slot. SGT (Join to see)
Signing a DEC statement doesn’t take away any benefits. It does prevent you from being promoted, but is mainly a tool for managing slots as you will be classified as a known loss for HRC and they can prepare to fill your slot. SGT (Join to see)
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SSG (Join to see) Thank you for informing SSG. I appreciate you a lot for this!
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Holy shit I wrote a whole response and this damn app deleted it...sigh...I'll paraphrase...
A DCSS is for an Army directed incurred SRR. Usually that's a PCS. If you have an assignment to a new location you have to reenlist or sign a declination statement. You don't have to sign the Declination, your commander or 1SG are required to sign it for you if you refuse.
Branch managers generally will not place you on a class seat for ALC without already having six months from your graduation to ETS. In fact, it's on the HRC website that the SRR is six months. Generally the branch manager will contact you and tell you to extend if you want to go to ALC. If your branch manager did give you a class date and is not willing to delete it then you'll have to sign a declination. But, I've never seen that and every time a Soldier is offered ALC and doesn't meet the time requirements the branch manager sends them and email saying to go see their Career Counselor. Your class date should be easily fixable with an email to your branch manager. You can go onto HRC to find the email POC.
On a more personal note, if your spouse is a high risk pregnancy and you're ETSing three months later you're either stupid, reckless, or selfish. You have a family to take care of and that means stability and predictabilty.
In a more perfect world you would have a job lined up with health care. You'd know how long you'd have to be at the job for the Healthcare to kick in and cover your spouse, or maybe she would be covered right now, and you'd know how much that would cost and if they will cover whatever pre existing condition may be associated with her current high risk pregnancy.
I don't think that's the case because everything about your question tells me you are unprepared. Half of your questions would have been answered in SFLTAP and the other half answered by actually reading the Declination Statement. FYI it's a DA Form 4991-R and all the counseling information is right on it.
If you had started SFLTAP when you were eligible, January 2020, you'd know that your window for CSP opened back in January. Unless you're already enrolled in one it's probably too late for you to get into one now.
If I were you and this were my family, I would extend a year, complete SFLTAP, enroll in a CSP, and most importantly - make sure that my spouse and kid aren't EFMP once your kid is born. Because if you have a special needs kid, resources become a lot harder and more expensive to come by on the civilian side and you may need to rethink your current exit strategy. The majority of people stay at a job, including the Army, because of their family, not because it's what they always dreamed of doing. When my son was diagnosed with autism I didn't want to come to cold ass JBLM, but it was the best choice for my kids, it's just adulting. Hopefully, your spouse has a great induction and your kid is perfectly healthy. But you need to be prepared in case that doesn't happen, and prepared doesn't mean waiting until 90 days prior to ETS to make life changing decisions
A DCSS is for an Army directed incurred SRR. Usually that's a PCS. If you have an assignment to a new location you have to reenlist or sign a declination statement. You don't have to sign the Declination, your commander or 1SG are required to sign it for you if you refuse.
Branch managers generally will not place you on a class seat for ALC without already having six months from your graduation to ETS. In fact, it's on the HRC website that the SRR is six months. Generally the branch manager will contact you and tell you to extend if you want to go to ALC. If your branch manager did give you a class date and is not willing to delete it then you'll have to sign a declination. But, I've never seen that and every time a Soldier is offered ALC and doesn't meet the time requirements the branch manager sends them and email saying to go see their Career Counselor. Your class date should be easily fixable with an email to your branch manager. You can go onto HRC to find the email POC.
On a more personal note, if your spouse is a high risk pregnancy and you're ETSing three months later you're either stupid, reckless, or selfish. You have a family to take care of and that means stability and predictabilty.
In a more perfect world you would have a job lined up with health care. You'd know how long you'd have to be at the job for the Healthcare to kick in and cover your spouse, or maybe she would be covered right now, and you'd know how much that would cost and if they will cover whatever pre existing condition may be associated with her current high risk pregnancy.
I don't think that's the case because everything about your question tells me you are unprepared. Half of your questions would have been answered in SFLTAP and the other half answered by actually reading the Declination Statement. FYI it's a DA Form 4991-R and all the counseling information is right on it.
If you had started SFLTAP when you were eligible, January 2020, you'd know that your window for CSP opened back in January. Unless you're already enrolled in one it's probably too late for you to get into one now.
If I were you and this were my family, I would extend a year, complete SFLTAP, enroll in a CSP, and most importantly - make sure that my spouse and kid aren't EFMP once your kid is born. Because if you have a special needs kid, resources become a lot harder and more expensive to come by on the civilian side and you may need to rethink your current exit strategy. The majority of people stay at a job, including the Army, because of their family, not because it's what they always dreamed of doing. When my son was diagnosed with autism I didn't want to come to cold ass JBLM, but it was the best choice for my kids, it's just adulting. Hopefully, your spouse has a great induction and your kid is perfectly healthy. But you need to be prepared in case that doesn't happen, and prepared doesn't mean waiting until 90 days prior to ETS to make life changing decisions
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SGT (Join to see) you can't fight a DCSS, it's not something you fight. The military, all branches, places you on assignment. You either meet the service requirement or you don't. If you choose not to, then you sign the DCSS or your command signs it for you. If you don't have an SRR then there is no DCSS. If you don't have an assignment or class date then you don't have to sign a declination. If you have those then you extend or sign the DCSS. In your situation you take care of your family and extend as long as you need. By regulation you have 45 days from incurring an SRR before you're required to make the decision
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SFC (Join to see) So what if the NCOES Manager can't do anything or doesn't do anything? I have prepared a 4187 for ALC and it is in the hands of
my CoC. They've had it for quite some time now (I'd say like 2-3 months.) Not kidding. Currently I'm on quarantine because the hospital recommended a 2 week quarantine before induction. Then I have my 3 week paternity leave.
my CoC. They've had it for quite some time now (I'd say like 2-3 months.) Not kidding. Currently I'm on quarantine because the hospital recommended a 2 week quarantine before induction. Then I have my 3 week paternity leave.
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SGT (Join to see) email them first and find out, gameplan what if scenarios after.
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Are you on orders to PCS? A DCSS (declination of continued service statement) gives the ERUP code of 9Q and it used for declining an assignment. The DCSS is completed by the servicing Career Counselor, have you spoken with them yet? I would talk to them.
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SFC (Join to see) Am I still eligible for my TA, a Career Skills Program (CSP), and does it affect my DD214?
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TA I'm not sure, CSP it should not reflect, and your DD214 it will show that you signed a DCSS and you would have to wait 93 days before you could come back into AD and you would need a waiver.
Basically signing a DCSS puts your career on halt. If promotable you will be placed in a non-promotable status, you will not attend any schools (military), etc. On the DA Form 4991 it will state everything and your Career Counselor is supposed to counsel you on it before you sign it.
Basically signing a DCSS puts your career on halt. If promotable you will be placed in a non-promotable status, you will not attend any schools (military), etc. On the DA Form 4991 it will state everything and your Career Counselor is supposed to counsel you on it before you sign it.
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SFC (Join to see) Also, does this compromise my Security clearance? I'm trying to use that as a plus for potential jobs outside the military.
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