Posted on Dec 16, 2016
Russia to US: Prove election hacking claims or shut up
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Wiki leaks has already made it clear it was a DNC insider, I bet it is the dead guy in DC
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LTC Marc King
Commander: I agree with you. There is no active investigation of the murder of this young man. I believe, without being accused of being a conspiracy terrorist, that this crime will lead back to the DNC in some manner and that is why it is not being pursued. I live in the DC bubble and we have seen crimes solved involving minorities, Congressional members and staff but this one... not so much!
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LCDR (Join to see)
LTC Marc King - I wish I could disagree with you and call you a "conspiracy theorist" but it seems really questionable with all the other dishonest things that were going on at the same time.
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CWO3 (Join to see)
I just can't consider Assange anything close to a reputable source, considering his self-proclaimed hatred of USA and many individuals personally, so nothing he says carries any weight with me. We should spread some cash around with Ecuadoran Embassy so they leave the door unlocked, have SAS snatch his dumb ass, and take him off-site. Some "dark" place like Poland so we can spend some quality time with him. Invite Snowden while we're at it and exchange ideas on cybersecurity or whatever else might come up. Make sure we use contractors though, to get around all those pesky US human rights policies.
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Otherwise known as: Dear US, please provide us the exact information you have on our hack so we can figure out exactly how you got it. That way we can do a better job of covering our tracks in the future.
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SPC Kevin Ford
LTC Orlando Illi - Russia can portray themselves as the aggrieved party but the reason why that is now successful is because the American public has changed. Thirty years ago, this would have been a non-issue due to the fact that the lines were clear and people shrugged off the claims like this because they recognized them for what they were, coming from a rival power that is primarily operating for their own interests which are in opposition to ours.
To the extent that Obama made a mistake here, it is not realizing that fact and also not coming to a full realization of the PR realities in today's world. President Obama assumes that people evaluate information like he does. They don't. He would have been much better off not making this public and taking action in a covert manner.
To the extent that Obama made a mistake here, it is not realizing that fact and also not coming to a full realization of the PR realities in today's world. President Obama assumes that people evaluate information like he does. They don't. He would have been much better off not making this public and taking action in a covert manner.
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LTC Orlando Illi
SPC Kevin Ford - You are correct. Sometimes Narcissism precludes a person from admitting that they can make a mistake. Putin will await Obama's response. He will then determine what level of response Russia is comfortable with. Make no mistake. Putin and the FSB probably have scenarios developed and operational. All that is required is the go ahead. What scares me is that Obama is viewing this as a tactical political game while Russia is playing a more strategic chess game with multiple scenarios. This reminds me of the height of the cold war. As an aside Putin reminds me more of a Russian Nationalist/Monarchist rather then a Kruschev clone. That nuance is lost to many Americans. Putin wants to restore Russia to its former greatness under the Czar. To that end - it appears that Russia and the United States are headed to a real ideological and geopolitical confrontation
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SPC Kevin Ford
LTC Orlando Illi - I agree that a confrontation will happen, for us in many ways the earlier the better. Our problems are not only with Russia, China is also on the ascension and will continue trying to push the bounds of their influence. What will be interesting is what Trump's posture will be with Russia. We could end up with a much larger problem four years from now.
Edit to correct now to not.
Edit to correct now to not.
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LTC Orlando Illi
SPC Kevin Ford - Some of my course work as a National Secuity Professional at National Defense Univerity discussed the Russian national paranoia of isolation. That paranoia is real and drives everything the Kremlin does. China is much the same. Will be interesting to see how Trump navigates between the two.
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Obama is trying to have a measuring contest as his last hoorah before leaving office. He's a fool for trying though because Putin will make him look like the horses arse that he is.
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LTC (Join to see)
I don't think you should publicly accuse a head of state with this without some proof.
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SSG (Join to see)
You're right. Our government shouldn't be accusing Putin of anything without solid proof.
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