Posted on Apr 13, 2018
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Here is my thought...........I think it's more about scoring political points with his base rather than improving the system. Considering that nearly 90% of people getting federal aide are already working, and most of the other 10% are either elderly, disabled in some way or are caring for and elder or disabled person, it's only a very small % of people who abuse the system. This could hurt more than it deters.
Here is my thought...........I think it's more about scoring political points with his base rather than improving the system. Considering that nearly 90% of people getting federal aide are already working, and most of the other 10% are either elderly, disabled in some way or are caring for and elder or disabled person, it's only a very small % of people who abuse the system. This could hurt more than it deters.
Reducing Poverty in America by Promoting Opportunity and Economic Mobility
Posted from federalregister.gov
Welfare
Office of the President (POTUS)
Donald Trump
Posted >1 y ago
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Assistance to the poor in this country suffers from three major problems:
1. It's designed to serve as a safety net instead of a ladder to self sufficiency. Programs should taper off as income improves instead of shut down entirely as soon as some arbitrary threshold has been passed. Those thresholds trap people at certain income levels because they can not afford to lose financial aid.
2. It is poorly funded and massive holes exist in the current safety net. Money should be saved by improving opportunities for the poor, not by forcing them to choose between medicine and food/heat/shelter.
3. We currently have a complicated and confusing patchwork of band aids instead a single comprehensive program designed to help people recover from personal disasters (major mental or physical illness/injury, loss of job, etc...).
1. It's designed to serve as a safety net instead of a ladder to self sufficiency. Programs should taper off as income improves instead of shut down entirely as soon as some arbitrary threshold has been passed. Those thresholds trap people at certain income levels because they can not afford to lose financial aid.
2. It is poorly funded and massive holes exist in the current safety net. Money should be saved by improving opportunities for the poor, not by forcing them to choose between medicine and food/heat/shelter.
3. We currently have a complicated and confusing patchwork of band aids instead a single comprehensive program designed to help people recover from personal disasters (major mental or physical illness/injury, loss of job, etc...).
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SSG (Join to see)
Cpl Tom Surdi - I'm still waiting to hear conservatives howl about executive orders, and how the president is overstepping constitutional boundaries.
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Cpl Tom Surdi
SSG (Join to see) - Never going to happen. It's on par with the GOP bitching about the deficit with Obama but having no problems putting us further in the hole when they are in control.
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Susan Foster
The title and the words sound good, but I don't believe for a minute there is a plan to go with it. You have stated a great plan, but that's not going to come out of this. I totally agree with you on needing a comprehensive system, and from what I read, although people think there is, there is very little fraud compared to the money spent. The EO says "motherhood and apple pie" stuff but without programs that provide training and put people back to work, it's just words.
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Mr. Surdi-Great share; you make some interesting points; would you be willing to share the source of the percentages you detailed? My perception is that some ambiguity lies with the words, "already working", "some way" and "very small percent" that a more detailed understanding of these statistics would resolve. That said (and having read the document), I can't disagree that there's a strong "political" side; three months to provide substantive answers to complex administrative problems might be overly optimistic.
Though I'm solidly "conservative" on most policies, I'm admittedly "Moderate" on most economic issues. Frankly, I believe there are many Americans who are limited in their ability to provide basic needs by factors not entirely within their immediate control, and advocate the use of tax revenues to help bridge the gap. However, I also believe (based on personal observations and readily apparent facts) that these programs are over or misused, and treat symptoms rather than provide cures.
The biggest issue with fiscal considerations is the sheer "weight" of the budget. When we consider our own personal finances, the answers are more easily arrived at owing to the fact that unlike the Government, we cannot simply "vote" ourselves more credit or more overdraft. Measures such as these might help "trim the hedges" and provide better insight into how money can be better applied...in my opinion.
Though I'm solidly "conservative" on most policies, I'm admittedly "Moderate" on most economic issues. Frankly, I believe there are many Americans who are limited in their ability to provide basic needs by factors not entirely within their immediate control, and advocate the use of tax revenues to help bridge the gap. However, I also believe (based on personal observations and readily apparent facts) that these programs are over or misused, and treat symptoms rather than provide cures.
The biggest issue with fiscal considerations is the sheer "weight" of the budget. When we consider our own personal finances, the answers are more easily arrived at owing to the fact that unlike the Government, we cannot simply "vote" ourselves more credit or more overdraft. Measures such as these might help "trim the hedges" and provide better insight into how money can be better applied...in my opinion.
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Cpl Tom Surdi
Here is one of several studies.
https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/understanding-the-intersection-of-medicaid-and-work/
https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/understanding-the-intersection-of-medicaid-and-work/
Understanding the Intersection of Medicaid and Work
Recent state requests for waivers of federal Medicaid law seek to make Medicaid eligibility contingent on work, and the Trump Administration has indicated a willingness to approve such waivers. Thi…
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LCDR (Join to see)
Great info-thanks. It's fair to suggest that the negative perceptions regarding abuse of programs like SNAP and Medicaid come in two classifications; that "some" recipients withhold changes in income or family composition (Orange Co. survey 1997, or that the "system" has expanded to include eligibility based on questionable classifications...particularly dealing with medical care. Whether true or false by statistical weight, there are additional issues that may have a larger impact. Two decades after the dismantling of broader federal programs towards state run systems, 2014 census data indicating that people living below the poverty level had increased by 12 million. A Center on Budget and Policy Priorities study also reveled that less of those funds are going directly to recipients...while administrative and "other" costs have risen. This varies widely by state, and suggests that there may indeed be "abuse" at the administrative level. This change in policy might work towards addressing that as opposed to merely slashing funding.
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I did not read this. But, how could promoting opportunity and economic mobility hurt?
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SSG (Join to see) - Tough, and I have been there. But, that in no way justifies destroying nor not caring for your home.
Not being able to improve it yes. But ignoring what one can do NO.
Not being able to improve it yes. But ignoring what one can do NO.
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Capt (Join to see) - Caring for buildings requires money, when that money isn't being spent the buildings will eventually fall apart.
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SSG (Join to see) - And they fall apart much quicker when folks do not care or expect someone else to keep them up. I am sorry and I know the majority are not at fault, but, I had personal experience with relative who lived in the projects, and kept them clean and maintained, only to see them torn apart by others after they left.
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