Posted on May 28, 2021
QAnon now as popular in US as some major religions, polls suggest
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That 30 million should just drink the Kool Aide. Jim Jones version that is. Would probably save lots of lives.
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SPC Chris Ison
SFC Bernard Walko -
re·li·gion a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
Mariam websters: : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
OED: a. A particular system of faith and worship.
I would say that the belief in Qanon conspiracies qualifies as a religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_religion
re·li·gion a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
Mariam websters: : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
OED: a. A particular system of faith and worship.
I would say that the belief in Qanon conspiracies qualifies as a religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_religion
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SPC Chris Ison
SFC Bernard Walko - No where that I’ve read did I see that QAnon believes in a higher power and/or a system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith for themselves.
First you do not need a "higher power" to be a religion.
You need ardor and faith.
So the definition of ardor is: enthusiasm or passion.
Now barring what you may think about January 6th; If we assume, for the sake of this argument, that it was Qanon, do you not feel that is ardor? Storming the capitol, looking for people to lynch, is pretty passionate.
Faith is belief minus proof. and that si the very basis for Qanon. All the assertions, such as the election was stolen, is belief without proof.
And finally the belief that the world is run by a cabal of pedophile devil worshipers, means they believe in God.
So religion. Maybe you prefer the term cult, but a cult is a religion.
he more than 5,100 people who were surveyed were asked about three core QAnon beliefs, with roughly a quarter of Republicans agreeing with the wild statements.
Fifteen percent of all Americans and 23% of Republicans said they agree that “the government, media, and financial worlds in the U.S. are controlled by a group of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run a global child sex trafficking operation.”
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2021/05/27/poll--15-20--of-americans-believe-in-core-qanon-conspiracy-theories.
Not sure where you got your research on Qanon, but you need to figure out why you do not have access to these simple google searches.
I also find it interesting that for all the talk and accusations against QAnon by the Democrats and media they don’t really identify their leadership,
Netflix has a Qanon documentary where they identify Q. Qanon stared out as a website forum on 8chan. 8chan is a racist forum. But Qanon works like any terrorist organization there is a core belief, and each individual cell has its own leader.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8chan.
The House wants an investigation, probably so they can drag up made up political lies and charges to make political hay; that is the way of the Left.
Ten investigations were conducted into the 2012 Benghazi attack, six of these by Republican-controlled House committees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigation_into_the_2012_Benghazi_attack.
It is not the "way of the left" it is the way of our current political discourse. The difference is that the Left is actually trying to find the truth, that is why they picked a REPUBLICAN special prosecutor, so you people could not say he was a democratic hack. And when you don't get your way you turn on your own people.
The truth of evil is simple: Evil will always turn on itself. Think about that.
Liz Cheney, John McCain, Mitt Romney.
I have given you all you need to know to learn as much about Qanon as you wish, the Qanon documentary is a great place to start.
First you do not need a "higher power" to be a religion.
You need ardor and faith.
So the definition of ardor is: enthusiasm or passion.
Now barring what you may think about January 6th; If we assume, for the sake of this argument, that it was Qanon, do you not feel that is ardor? Storming the capitol, looking for people to lynch, is pretty passionate.
Faith is belief minus proof. and that si the very basis for Qanon. All the assertions, such as the election was stolen, is belief without proof.
And finally the belief that the world is run by a cabal of pedophile devil worshipers, means they believe in God.
So religion. Maybe you prefer the term cult, but a cult is a religion.
he more than 5,100 people who were surveyed were asked about three core QAnon beliefs, with roughly a quarter of Republicans agreeing with the wild statements.
Fifteen percent of all Americans and 23% of Republicans said they agree that “the government, media, and financial worlds in the U.S. are controlled by a group of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run a global child sex trafficking operation.”
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2021/05/27/poll--15-20--of-americans-believe-in-core-qanon-conspiracy-theories.
Not sure where you got your research on Qanon, but you need to figure out why you do not have access to these simple google searches.
I also find it interesting that for all the talk and accusations against QAnon by the Democrats and media they don’t really identify their leadership,
Netflix has a Qanon documentary where they identify Q. Qanon stared out as a website forum on 8chan. 8chan is a racist forum. But Qanon works like any terrorist organization there is a core belief, and each individual cell has its own leader.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8chan.
The House wants an investigation, probably so they can drag up made up political lies and charges to make political hay; that is the way of the Left.
Ten investigations were conducted into the 2012 Benghazi attack, six of these by Republican-controlled House committees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigation_into_the_2012_Benghazi_attack.
It is not the "way of the left" it is the way of our current political discourse. The difference is that the Left is actually trying to find the truth, that is why they picked a REPUBLICAN special prosecutor, so you people could not say he was a democratic hack. And when you don't get your way you turn on your own people.
The truth of evil is simple: Evil will always turn on itself. Think about that.
Liz Cheney, John McCain, Mitt Romney.
I have given you all you need to know to learn as much about Qanon as you wish, the Qanon documentary is a great place to start.
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SPC Chris Ison
SFC Bernard Walko -
So:
nontrivial 15% of Americans agree with the sweeping QAnon allegation that “the government, media, and financial worlds in the U.S. are controlled by a group of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run a global child sex trafficking operation,” while the vast majority of Americans (82%) disagree with this statement. Republicans (23%) are significantly more likely than independents (14%) and Democrats (8%) to agree that the government, media, and financial worlds in the U.S. are controlled by a group of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run a global child sex trafficking operation.
Notice is says satan worshiping, that means they believe in satan and thus they believe in the Jehovah the christian god.
However Miraim Webster defines religion as such, as i posted in my original post:
: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
You can see it rigth here:
SPC Chris Ison
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SFC Bernard Walko -
re·li·gion a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
Mariam websters: : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith <--
OED: a. A particular system of faith and worship.
I would say that the belief in Qanon conspiracies qualifies as a religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_religion
As for the methdooly 5,000 is a great sample size, here is how the pew research center does their surveys:
" You have roughly the same chance of being polled as anyone else living in the United States. This chance, however, is only about 1 in 170,000 for a typical Pew Research Center survey. To obtain that rough estimate, we divide the current adult population of the U.S. (about 255 million) by the typical number of adults we recruit to our survey panel each year (usually around 1,500 people). We draw a random sample of addresses from the U.S. Postal Service’s master residential address file. We recruit one randomly selected adult from each of those households to join our survey panel. This process gives every non-institutionalized adult a known chance of being included. The only people who are not included are those who do not live at a residential address (e.g., adults who are incarcerated, living at a group facility like a rehabilitation center, or living in a remote area without a standard postal address). "
1500 is considered enough by Pew to be representative of the general population.
Further your use of 328 million people includes 5 year olds an no one is polling them, so you do not even know where the fuck to begin to do the math.
The survey was designed and conducted by PRRI and IFYC among a random sample of 5,149 adults (age 18 and up) living in all 50 states in the United States and who are part of Ipsos’s Knowledge Panel and an additional 476 who were recruited by Ipsos using opt-in survey panels to increase the sample sizes in smaller states. The full sample is weighted to be representative of the U.S. population. Interviews were conducted online between March 8 and 30, 2021.
The margin of error for the national survey is +/- 1.5 percentage points at the 95% level of confidence, including the design effect for the survey of 1.4. In addition to sampling error, surveys may also be subject to error or bias due to question wording, context, and order effects. Additional details about the KnowledgePanel can be found on the Ipsos website.
https://www.prri.org/research/qanon-conspiracy-american-politics-report/
I worked for the Institute of Applied Research and Policy Analysis while attending Cal State San Bernardino, not only do I know how to do statistics, i actually know how to survey too. Also, as a GIS professional I know who to not only do statistics but how to model them in a format that even people like you can understand them.
Your beliefs are not facts. However, it is a fact you are obtuse, as I said in the other thread. You did not read my post critically enough to see i included the Miriam Webster definition and the OED, plus Wikipedia, you did not even read the survey or its methodology, and being a transportation administrator doesn't make you a statistics expert.
Also:
https://www.axios.com/qanon-churches-popular-religion-conspiracy-theory-c5bcce08-8f6e-4501-8cb2-9e38a2346c2f.html?fbclid=IwAR04WUa1QrpXCZUU_CT1jRZ5rjRiFPSfaGx7qMSDMOfcAV1kCRn6Kpa7_l0
So:
nontrivial 15% of Americans agree with the sweeping QAnon allegation that “the government, media, and financial worlds in the U.S. are controlled by a group of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run a global child sex trafficking operation,” while the vast majority of Americans (82%) disagree with this statement. Republicans (23%) are significantly more likely than independents (14%) and Democrats (8%) to agree that the government, media, and financial worlds in the U.S. are controlled by a group of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run a global child sex trafficking operation.
Notice is says satan worshiping, that means they believe in satan and thus they believe in the Jehovah the christian god.
However Miraim Webster defines religion as such, as i posted in my original post:
: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
You can see it rigth here:
SPC Chris Ison
3 d
SFC Bernard Walko -
re·li·gion a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
Mariam websters: : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith <--
OED: a. A particular system of faith and worship.
I would say that the belief in Qanon conspiracies qualifies as a religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_religion
As for the methdooly 5,000 is a great sample size, here is how the pew research center does their surveys:
" You have roughly the same chance of being polled as anyone else living in the United States. This chance, however, is only about 1 in 170,000 for a typical Pew Research Center survey. To obtain that rough estimate, we divide the current adult population of the U.S. (about 255 million) by the typical number of adults we recruit to our survey panel each year (usually around 1,500 people). We draw a random sample of addresses from the U.S. Postal Service’s master residential address file. We recruit one randomly selected adult from each of those households to join our survey panel. This process gives every non-institutionalized adult a known chance of being included. The only people who are not included are those who do not live at a residential address (e.g., adults who are incarcerated, living at a group facility like a rehabilitation center, or living in a remote area without a standard postal address). "
1500 is considered enough by Pew to be representative of the general population.
Further your use of 328 million people includes 5 year olds an no one is polling them, so you do not even know where the fuck to begin to do the math.
The survey was designed and conducted by PRRI and IFYC among a random sample of 5,149 adults (age 18 and up) living in all 50 states in the United States and who are part of Ipsos’s Knowledge Panel and an additional 476 who were recruited by Ipsos using opt-in survey panels to increase the sample sizes in smaller states. The full sample is weighted to be representative of the U.S. population. Interviews were conducted online between March 8 and 30, 2021.
The margin of error for the national survey is +/- 1.5 percentage points at the 95% level of confidence, including the design effect for the survey of 1.4. In addition to sampling error, surveys may also be subject to error or bias due to question wording, context, and order effects. Additional details about the KnowledgePanel can be found on the Ipsos website.
https://www.prri.org/research/qanon-conspiracy-american-politics-report/
I worked for the Institute of Applied Research and Policy Analysis while attending Cal State San Bernardino, not only do I know how to do statistics, i actually know how to survey too. Also, as a GIS professional I know who to not only do statistics but how to model them in a format that even people like you can understand them.
Your beliefs are not facts. However, it is a fact you are obtuse, as I said in the other thread. You did not read my post critically enough to see i included the Miriam Webster definition and the OED, plus Wikipedia, you did not even read the survey or its methodology, and being a transportation administrator doesn't make you a statistics expert.
Also:
https://www.axios.com/qanon-churches-popular-religion-conspiracy-theory-c5bcce08-8f6e-4501-8cb2-9e38a2346c2f.html?fbclid=IwAR04WUa1QrpXCZUU_CT1jRZ5rjRiFPSfaGx7qMSDMOfcAV1kCRn6Kpa7_l0
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This will only increase as society gets more complex. Average intelligence isn’t going up, so more and more people will have difficulty separating fact from fiction.
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