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The do nothing questioned and refuses to commit to Article 5 which has only been invoked once during 9/11 to defend the U.S. and states US-Europe military alliance, and its role in deterring military aggression from Russia
Putin got exactly what he wants from NATO this week, thanks to Trump
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when did Article 5 become a question? i'm looking at Article 5 and i see NO question marks. same with Article 6. but since trump is putin's puppet, he's going to ask putin's permission before responding in the fashion set forth by Article 5.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
Obama tells Medvedev he will have "more flexibility" after election
(26 Mar 2012) 1. Wide shot of US President Barack Obama and outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev at bilateral meeting 2. Cutaway of photographers 3. UP...
SFC Bernard Walko - I always remind people the video of Obama stating he will have more flexibility after the election. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgQaFlo_p8&spfreload=10
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SrA John Monette
MAJ Byron Oyler - but Obama wasn't asking Medvedev to do something for him in return for funds.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
SrA John Monette - You are right, Obama was just offering shit to the Russians for nothing, no gain for our country. Shit at least traitors expect something back in return. Only reason people are up in arms regarding what Trump asked is because Biden is a political rival. Any other time, like the SALT treaties, we did not give shit over for free. We don't have forces in Korea for free. Our government asks for a lot for what we do for other countries but this case, since Biden is running for office, it made it a bad thing to ask for something in return. You think we give add to Lebanon or Egypt for nothing in return?
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MAJ Byron Oyler
Obama tells Medvedev he will have "more flexibility" after election
(26 Mar 2012) 1. Wide shot of US President Barack Obama and outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev at bilateral meeting 2. Cutaway of photographers 3. UP...
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MSG Stan Hutchison
MAJ Byron Oyler - Sorry, but this thread is about Trump. We discussed Obama for 8 years. Now it's Trump's turn in the barrel.
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MSG Stan Hutchison
MAJ Byron Oyler - Because we only have one President at a time. You could stat a thread and compare any and all Presidents if you wish. But this one is the one that is relevant today.
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When the article says that Slovakia was part of the Soviet Union (it was part of Czechoslovakia, before that part of Austria-Hungary) then I have to question the knowledge and premise of the author.
Let's keep it simple. If Russia comes over the berm against a NATO ally, what Putin will get is a lot of bullets.
But whatever. Russia, Russia, Russia!
Let's keep it simple. If Russia comes over the berm against a NATO ally, what Putin will get is a lot of bullets.
But whatever. Russia, Russia, Russia!
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SrA John Monette
ok, so Slovakia wasn't "officially" part of the soviet union. it was still one of the warsaw pact countries as part of Czechoslovakia. your comment about coming over the berm is correct, to a point. what putin won't see is US troops firing those rounds
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Good thing Rocky Balboa knocked the communism right out of those Rooskies!
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SrA John Monette - Probably not, since where our troops are stationed is not where Russia would come over he berm. The Baltic States would be overrun before the NATO alliance would be able to respond - they are just physically very small countries.
And what do we have really? An airborne brigade and a medium wheeled infantry regiment. That ain't stopping shit. The Poles would be doing the heavy lifting, if it came to that. Really, they are the only ones in position to help in time.
The real salient question is would any government of those states survive long enough to invoke Article V, and if so, would the alliance respond in a unified manner. And if their governments were subverted and replaced (extremely likely Russian course of action), would the alliance respond without those governments invoking Article V.
That is the real chess game here, even though it is hypothetical.
I would submit to you that the real cracks in the alliance are elsewhere. Do you really think that Norway, for example will declare war on Russia over a coup in Latvia resulting in their swift occupation and annexation by Russia? I don't.
And we need look no further than the grab of Crimea (Ukraine is not in NATO) for the Russian model and likely reaction from the west.
And what do we have really? An airborne brigade and a medium wheeled infantry regiment. That ain't stopping shit. The Poles would be doing the heavy lifting, if it came to that. Really, they are the only ones in position to help in time.
The real salient question is would any government of those states survive long enough to invoke Article V, and if so, would the alliance respond in a unified manner. And if their governments were subverted and replaced (extremely likely Russian course of action), would the alliance respond without those governments invoking Article V.
That is the real chess game here, even though it is hypothetical.
I would submit to you that the real cracks in the alliance are elsewhere. Do you really think that Norway, for example will declare war on Russia over a coup in Latvia resulting in their swift occupation and annexation by Russia? I don't.
And we need look no further than the grab of Crimea (Ukraine is not in NATO) for the Russian model and likely reaction from the west.
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SrA John Monette
1SG (Join to see) - the reaction from the west is exactly what putin wanted. absolutely NO reaction, at least not militarily.
i think the NATO countries, for the most part, would honor Article 5. it is becoming less and less hypothetical with each passing day
i think the NATO countries, for the most part, would honor Article 5. it is becoming less and less hypothetical with each passing day
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