Posted on Jun 19, 2016
Navy forges ahead with plan to hire civilians for chief, captain
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What are your thoughts on this Navy Times article - "Instant Chiefs Instant Captains"?
I cannot imagine this ever happening. I know some civilians come in at O4 such as surgeons, however E7 and O6 right off the bat? Those ranks aren't based on skill; they are based on experience and proven leadership. Military knowledge and decision making cannot be read in a book, it must be learned, observed, and absorbed though time.
Details here:
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2016/06/19/navy-forges-ahead-plan-hire-civilians-chief-captain/85877884/
I cannot imagine this ever happening. I know some civilians come in at O4 such as surgeons, however E7 and O6 right off the bat? Those ranks aren't based on skill; they are based on experience and proven leadership. Military knowledge and decision making cannot be read in a book, it must be learned, observed, and absorbed though time.
Details here:
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2016/06/19/navy-forges-ahead-plan-hire-civilians-chief-captain/85877884/
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This could only work in technical specialties unrelated to command - like doctors, lawyers, chaplains, cyber, etc. - where their knowledge or skills are needed.
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Cpl Mark Crabtree
That's all fair but as we all know, Your job in the military does not end when you clock out. Also how well are they going to be accepted by fellow seniors for someone just walking in off the street. I'm sure these positions have people in them that have put in the time. like stated I have yet to find any thing that compares to experience. Experience from just a military standpoint they are going to lack. This will be one of those respect the rank not the person. They did this in WW2 but that was out of necessity. Those officers and what not had little respect which was a big reason the program was dropped. That and the war ended. lol
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Maj John Bell
It was my experience that a significant minority of green restricted line officers, did not know their place. They did not understand concepts like the chain of command, unity of command, military necessity, silent insubordination, the work day ends based on mission, not the clock; and immediate, intelligent obedience.
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Seems like a good way to erode military traditions as well adversely affect the military culture within the Navy as an organization. As well why - if everyone's punching out early that would suggest there are other issues that need to be addressed in regards to retention?
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GySgt Carl Rumbolo
So you seem like a good candidate for extinction - the military can't get the skills they need through traditional means - virtually anyone in IT fields with competency leaves the military as soon as they can because they have better offers in terms of life work balance and pay.
If you want to retain or obtain the requisite skills then you create specialist fields, with a rank scale that gives them the privileges and pay scale appropriate to recruitment and retention.
Did you bother to read the article - nowhere is it said they would be put in command leadership positions - try reading- it's a skill that is good to have.
If you want to retain or obtain the requisite skills then you create specialist fields, with a rank scale that gives them the privileges and pay scale appropriate to recruitment and retention.
Did you bother to read the article - nowhere is it said they would be put in command leadership positions - try reading- it's a skill that is good to have.
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SPC David S.
Yes I did read the article. People are leaving the military because the opportunity cost, what's given up, has a greater value than what can be obtained by staying in the service. Not that difficult to understand. Part of the problem is labor - not enough people going into IT. Shortages create high demand - high demand creates higher salaries for those fields. Pulling in people from the civilian sector is only going to cause the civilian sector to increase benefits and salary to retain top talent. It doesn't require an act of congress. The civilian side will always outbid the military pay for high demand jobs. I want to say that was one of the whole reasons in creating the reserve components to attract doctors and lawyers but via 03 maybe 04.
I look at this as a trend -
Navy first loosens body fat rules to retain sailors, and now is looking to get congress to change the rules for officers. MD (passed boards) and JD (passed bar) start out at as an O3 - Navy is asking for an O6. I see this as undermining the officers' corp sending the message - don't waste 20 years trying to earn rank - go into IT and do it in 10 years.
Hey Air Force also has a pilot problem as well. Where's the band-aid for that problem.
I look at this as a trend -
Navy first loosens body fat rules to retain sailors, and now is looking to get congress to change the rules for officers. MD (passed boards) and JD (passed bar) start out at as an O3 - Navy is asking for an O6. I see this as undermining the officers' corp sending the message - don't waste 20 years trying to earn rank - go into IT and do it in 10 years.
Hey Air Force also has a pilot problem as well. Where's the band-aid for that problem.
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