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I think it's a step in the wrong direction honestly. We are spending more time worried about word smithing and polishing what we as a person has led/ projects we lead solo to make our EPRs sound like we saved the world vs being a pro at our job and mentoring the Amn. At then end of the day it's not about how great you sound on paper it's the confidence your fellow Amn has in you to do your job. The whole Amn concept is a wonderful way to get more for less IMHO, either your doing your job, school, volunteering and taking an active role in writing your EPR or your not AF material. Doing all the "other stuff" is more important than putting warheads on foreheads has become the standard. To Fly, fight and win is what the AF wanted me to do when I came in, now it's meeting/doing the wickets. Gone are the days of the crusty MSgt or SMSgt or Chief that could relate to you because they know your job now it's the E-7, E-8 and E-9 worried about you not volunteering enough or enough schooling to pad your EPR to meet a board that cares more for the whole person concept than for the reason your employed by the AF. Yet this is my humble opinion, maybe I'm seeing things wrong.
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I think you have some really valid points and never second guess your opinion because you are on the front lines writing those EPRS and submitting those award packages. I definitely don't have the answer. I hope this gives those who test "okay" the opportunity to be promoted based off board scores as opposed to those TSgts who do nothing but study for testing while others work their butts off getting the mission done.
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TSgt Cyber Systems Operations
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Great way to put it SSgt Williams.
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1stSgt Client Systems Technician
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I believe this board is a step in the right direction. If everything goes as advertised and all playing fields are level. The only gripe I have is if you are in a unit where you are one of the minority career fields, your position when stratified will suffer. For instance, a personnelist in a maintenance squadron. A lot of times it will come down to the position you are holding at the time..... My only hope is that one day we can figure out how to promote our best leaders. The people who have the capability to lead, motivate, inspire, and manage effectively. While I see the value in the total Airmen concept, It DOES NOT EQUATE TO PROMOTE THE BEST LEADERS. Its promotes the best volunteers. The question I have for everyone is how do you quantify leadership on paper and with a scale? If we could solve that puzzle we could add it to this new evaluation system and promote the best leaders.........
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
TSgt Joshua Copeland
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1stSgt (Join to see), we both know a few people that were promoted and likely shouldn't have been (you know who I am talking about). I still think disengaging the EPR from directly effecting promotion would allow a more realistic eval which in turn would allow Commanders a more accurate picture of who should be promoted. You are still going to have the human factor (bias, rack and stack based on everything BUT primary duties, etc).

I honestly think one of the major drivers for "inflated" EPRs is the decoration program. When you have Chiefs and Commanders up and down the chain saying a "4" is a good EPR, but than reject dec's for anyone without a firewall "5", it creates the over inflated system. When you have to do a "push note" explaining a single mark down on a single EPR in the entire awards period, all you do is create the environment for inflation. If "4" was truly a "good EPR, a dec with ALL 4's should sail through with no problems, vs a single mark down on a "5" being a show stopper or at minimum show delayer.
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MSgt Jim Wolverton
MSgt Jim Wolverton
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^^MSgt Copeland, this is EXACTLY what I encountered multiple times as a flight chief. So many deserving people left without the decorations/recognition they deserve because of a single markdown when, in every other aspect, they were stellar. My best leaders weren't always the best on paper. This promotion cycle, there were several of my guys promoted to MSgt that were among my best leaders, even though they weren't necessarily the best on paper. So, hopefully, they are doing something right with the new promotion system. Unfortunately, I won't be around to see any of it.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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The Marine Corps does annual promotion boards at the SSgt (E6) level.

The system as outlined appears to be "somewhere between" our composite scoring system, and our board system. If it makes sense to "tighten down" the process for the Senior NCO ranks, it's a good change. If the system as current is working as intended, why change?
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