Kansas University Implements Campus Carry. The Results Are Awesome!

SSG Robert Webster Missouri is mentioned in only one paragraph, hardly "half". The numbers are also including "gun violations", which didn't apply anymore. The article also addresses more school officers, increased police presence, and the addition of security cameras. Gun violence is absolutely a public health issue. Poverty, politics, social issues, they're all universal issues. Yet, there are the few who determine that mass murder is an appropriate way to express themselves. One can blame parenting, lack of religion, abuse, whatever, but the only way to figure out a solution is to study the problem. What everyone is essentially doing is drafting legislation based on guesses, and that makes no logical sense.

SSG Jessica Bautista - Obviously you read the edited/updated version, while I read the original.
March 05, 2018 04:17 PM
Updated March 05, 2018 06:04 PM

Plus I know what the article addressed I did read the KU report, plus the article in the Lawrence Journal-World (the city newspaper local to the university), and articles from other sources as noted in my statement/reply.

Poverty (economics), politics, and social issues (education) may be 'universal issues,' they ARE NOT 'health issues.' Yes they do have an impact on health by virtue of access and availability AND NOT the cause of health issues/problems directly. And that is where your argument falls apart. Access and availability of health care in any of its forms (to include dental) will not fix the problems with poverty, politics, or other social issues.

And believing that modern medical methods are the cure-all for everything is a fantastical pipe-dream. In other words, medicine is not a cure for poverty or violence.

SSG Robert Webster Ah, that explains that then.

We will have to agree to disagree. Health must be treated holistically in order to be effective. Access to healthcare absolutely has an effect on all those issues. Individuals who file for bankruptcy often have medical bills at the heart of it. Poverty closes clincs, creating a need to travel farther, miss more work, earn less money. When a town isn't doing well, elected officials are expected to change that. Violence correlates with social issues. One could argue that our culture nurtures mass shooters, but we wouldn't know because the NRA doesn't want us to know for sure. Everything is tied to health, it's just a matter of to which degree.

SSG Robert Webster - I didn't know your name was SFC Stephen Atchley since that was whom my CDC comment was directed towards. We'll just have to agree to disagree as usual in regards to gun violence labeled as a public health issue. Anytime someone labels an act of gun violence a mental health issue, why is that? As you pointed out, the CDC current mission statement:
"CDC works 24/7 to protect America from health, safety and security threats, both foreign and in the U.S. Whether diseases start at home or abroad, are chronic or acute, curable or preventable, human error or deliberate attack, CDC fights disease and supports communities and citizens to do the same.
CDC increases the health security of our nation. As the nation’s health protection agency, CDC saves lives and protects people from health threats. To accomplish our mission, CDC conducts critical science and provides health information that protects our nation against expensive and dangerous health threats, and responds when these arise."

Gun violence is a threat to public safety and security. Is it a symptom of a greater health threat associated to medical diagnosis of various mental illness disorders? I can see why some would argue the CDC is within their scope to study causes of types of gun violence when it's continuously associated to mental health, illness, and disorders. Consider some equate select mental illnesses as genetic, symptoms of a disease, requiring study and treatment. Otherwise, folks should drop the mental health argument, label gun violence as cultural and societal failures for a percentage of the population learned behavior.

I didn't know that Capt Tom Brown I live in San Angelo

TSgt David L. - Yes criminals do look for soft targets which is why they target women, old people, children, and lone individuals (not groups) in most situations. As well as, night targets, dark houses, and minimal security locations; it's all about having a plan. A criminal that robs a house without the expectation that owner could be home and armed and not have a plan for that is indeed an idiot. Unfortunately, a prepared, determined and armed rapist or robber will take in consideration their target could be armed with mace, taser, knife or gun and plan for it but if you add the public knowledge of increased security presence, more security cameras, and lighted areas on campus, that too makes it difficult for bad guys to find soft targets.
SSG Jessica Bautista

MAJ James Woods - It is fortunate that folks are able to take precautions and be armed for the "What If". We live in a great country that affords us that right.

TSgt David L. - Not disputing that. Just a shame we live in a society that needs to feel like one needs to be armed out of precaution. I could've gone the arm myself route when I turned 18 because of the "What if I run into more racists and bigots that threatens me?" Or don't be armed due to the "What if I run into a nervous cop that overreacts?" Living a life of "What if..." isn't healthy.

MAJ James Woods - I carry because I can, and like guns. What if is part of life. I don't worry about it.

Yep, and one even tried to provoke me here MSgt Stephen Council

Cpl Scott McCarroll - I simply try to follow the sage advice of Mr. Samuel Clemens: “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” and “Never tell the truth to people who are not worthy of it.”