Posted on Nov 13, 2020
FACT CHECK: What's Happening In This Election Is Not Like Florida In 2000
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No this is not a particularly close election and no recount is going to change the results.
FACT CHECK: What's Happening In This Election Is Not Like Florida In 2000
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It is a close election but I believe Biden has won it...NOW with that being said you are right no recount is going to change things...what I want to come out of this is election reform and accountability. We can't have Sec of States, governors, poll workers, USPS personnel changing the rules at the 11th hour...there has got to be investigations and changes for peoples confidence to vote be given back that their vote counts...right now all we see is this state, that state, these don't count those don't count put a set of rules in place and lets stick to them...if they are violated punish those who violated them and move on.
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SPC Kevin Ford
Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth I'd quibble that it is close, neither i the electoral college nor in the popular vote. There are some states that are "somewhat" close but none of them close enough so that any recount swings that have ever happened in history would come even close to changing the results. Close is a subjective term. For me, the need to change tens of thousands of votes in several states to change the result is not a particularly close election.
As I pointed out to CPT Bob Coleman I understand your concern over the changes and I understand the reasons why they did them. Having said that, from everything I've read none of those changes are material to the result either.
As I pointed out to CPT Bob Coleman I understand your concern over the changes and I understand the reasons why they did them. Having said that, from everything I've read none of those changes are material to the result either.
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SPC Kevin Ford
CPT Bob Coleman - We will. If they have evidence that is the case they need to prove that in a court of law. So far they have not been able to do that and what victories they have had do not show widespread voter fraud, nor do they deal with the amount of votes needed to change anything.
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Even if one were to accept NPR as totally neutral (it isn't) the following passage from the article destroys any credibility the article carries:
"The president's allegations and conspiracy theories of sweeping voter fraud have so far been without merit. Fraud is hard to pull off in modern elections because of the safeguards in place, including electronic voter registration records, signature matching technology and post-election audits of the vote.
"I think it is more difficult now," Ginsberg said, noting, "The Trump campaign is basing all its actions on the thought that there was fraud, and now they're not able to prove it, so their basic premise is not holding up.""
There have been, and continue to be so many examples of fraud, both systemic and personal, what with whistleblowers coming forward, acknowledging the fraud, and/or admitting their complicity in it. That's a smart move, to come forward, rather than be discovered and then be subject to prosecution.
The vote margins in several contended states are indeed very thin on the surface. However, when the fraudulent ballots get tossed out, we will see a totally different picture, and Biden will likely have to go back to his basement. This was the Democrats' "Pearl Harbor" where they used everything in their arsenal in a push for political power. I think, in the end, their fraud will be their undoing, and they will lose.
"The president's allegations and conspiracy theories of sweeping voter fraud have so far been without merit. Fraud is hard to pull off in modern elections because of the safeguards in place, including electronic voter registration records, signature matching technology and post-election audits of the vote.
"I think it is more difficult now," Ginsberg said, noting, "The Trump campaign is basing all its actions on the thought that there was fraud, and now they're not able to prove it, so their basic premise is not holding up.""
There have been, and continue to be so many examples of fraud, both systemic and personal, what with whistleblowers coming forward, acknowledging the fraud, and/or admitting their complicity in it. That's a smart move, to come forward, rather than be discovered and then be subject to prosecution.
The vote margins in several contended states are indeed very thin on the surface. However, when the fraudulent ballots get tossed out, we will see a totally different picture, and Biden will likely have to go back to his basement. This was the Democrats' "Pearl Harbor" where they used everything in their arsenal in a push for political power. I think, in the end, their fraud will be their undoing, and they will lose.
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SPC Kevin Ford
SSG(P) (Join to see) So far there have been no credible examples of widespread voter fraud that have held up to any scrutiny. It's easy for the administration or their supporters to claim things online and to get people like you to apparently believe them. It is something quite different to actually prove them. So far, they have been unable to do that.
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SPC Kevin Ford - OK. Believe what you want. Just realize that Cognitive Dissonance is a thing, and it appears you have a case of it.
Have a good day.
Have a good day.
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SSG(P) (Join to see) not one lawsuit filed in one state has provided substantive evidence of widespread fraud. YouTube is not evidence. Read the actual court filings. The lead attorney in Montogomery County was asked twice by the judge hearing the case if there was evidence of fraud and the lawyer said no, on the record.
SPC Kevin Ford
SSG(P) (Join to see) - If there is evidence I'm sure it will come out in court. Anything else is just mental masturbation, believing what makes you feel good.
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