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SGT Air Defense Radar Repairer
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Since they cannot trust their male soldiers to behave like soldiers and gentlemen they force women to be completely covered so the men don't react. What a load of crap.
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SFC Randy Hellenbrand
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Hmm. Have you seen what Baptist woman are supposed to wear?? Not any difference in the mentality than this.
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SSG Psychological Operations Specialist
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how is this news? The COC absolutely can dictate what a Soldier may wear. This is no different than a male Soldier not being permitted to wear a tank top, because its "an undergarment" or wear a sleevless shirt, or even be shirtless on base. So likely someone stepped well outside the realm of "okay for base" and the COC took the traditional route of over reaction. Again I must ask, how is this news?
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1LT William Clardy
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First of all, SSG (Join to see), I expect good NCOs to pay attention to details -- details being the NCO end of the traditional officer-NCO command relationship. If you read the entire screen capture in the Army WTF post, it's clear that the directive was forwarded to someone who hadn't been among the original recipients (and presumably was expected to render a less-than-flattering opinion).
Second, the only times that getting told one of my less-blatantly-brilliant ideas "is the dumbest..." upsets me is when they're right and it's already final. Folks who work for me know that I prefer someone remind me to take off the cleats when it looks like I'm about to tap-dance on my more sensitive manly-man parts. Folks who have worked with me long enough know that a good portion of the time they'll get an explanation of why it's the least-dumb item on a list of "sometimes it sucks to be us" options and an invitation to come up with a less-dumb way to go.
Third, if I ever observed an NCO getting so genuinely enraged by *anything* a private could say that he needed to be "talked down" from going hands-on, that NCO should expect some intense supervision focused on making him less of a latent threat to the soldiers around him and providing him with enough self-discipline to keep his personal feelings from overriding his responsibilities as a military leader.
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1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
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Lastly, SSG (Join to see), I'll share one of the earliest (and most insightful) lessons I ever got on leading infantry in combat (from a lieutenant colonel who learned his craft during the South-East Asia unpleasantness): Every order gets a vote of confidence. Soldiers won't follow you up a hill under fire because they're afraid of a cell in LBJ that comes with three hots and a cot. They follow you because they trust you to make the right decisions for them. And remember that, if you make enough bad decisions, every last one of the guys you're telling to follow you up that hill is carrying a fully-loaded 5.56mm veto. If that last part bothers you, you may want to consider some other profession.
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1LT William Clardy My responsibilities as a military leader override my personal feelings, whoch os why I would choke the shit out of one of my guys for that kind of thing. If you fail to see that as a metaphor maybe the internet is not the place for you.
It is obvious the respondant was not in the original message, but as I said: Given the "wear OCPs till 1700 on off days" there is more to it than "OMG theu are targeting females." As a rule I have learned that whenever a bad policy comes out, its due to one person going well outside what is acceptable and crying about "there isnt a rule that says I cant" when they are told to NOT do that something.
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1LT William Clardy Being a GOOD leader means knowing your guys have that final "veto," but never having it cross your mind. In combat, I never had that as a worry.
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