Posted on Oct 15, 2024
What we know about Vem Miller, man arrested with guns at Trump rally
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“Local law enforcement described Miller as a ‘lunatic’ sovereign citizen plotting to kill Donald Trump – but he has reportedly denied meaning the former president any harm“
What we know about Vem Miller, man arrested with guns at Trump rally
Posted from independent.co.uk
Donald Trump
Firearms and Guns
Crime
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Hard to say what was on His mind but showing up with false credentials and carrying firearms in the area of any political candidate is a problem. Whatever His intent at best it's NOT normal behavior and the fake credentials and unlawful carrying of firearms is still a problem.
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Bethina Lee
That's like getting caught outside a jewelry store that was robbed and you just so happen to has 5 million in jewelry on your person.
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MSG Stan Hutchison I watch Police Bodycams on Youtube all the time about these "Sovereign Citizens" Truly some Mentally Ill Right Wing types!
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1. Having seen the stupidity of "sovereign citizens" challenging the Police to make a stupid assertion, this guy is no different.
2. Bringing guns and having a series of fake passports/IDs to a Trump rally accentuates that point of stupidity.
3. Categorizing soverign citizens to be "far right" is a contradiction. Far Right tends to define extreme authoritarian inclinations, such as Nazism or fascism. Soveriegn citizens are defined as "having their own pseudolegal belief system based on misinterpretations of common law and claim to not be subject to any government statutes unless they consent to them." - Somehow I highly doubt an oppressive fascist government would sit well with them either. From the videos I've seen of these folks, they rarely want to do physical harm to others, but they generally a bunch of a__holes trying to suggest they are smarter than the authorities.
I have no idea if he intended to do harm to the President, but he certainly should be on the list to monitor from here on out.
2. Bringing guns and having a series of fake passports/IDs to a Trump rally accentuates that point of stupidity.
3. Categorizing soverign citizens to be "far right" is a contradiction. Far Right tends to define extreme authoritarian inclinations, such as Nazism or fascism. Soveriegn citizens are defined as "having their own pseudolegal belief system based on misinterpretations of common law and claim to not be subject to any government statutes unless they consent to them." - Somehow I highly doubt an oppressive fascist government would sit well with them either. From the videos I've seen of these folks, they rarely want to do physical harm to others, but they generally a bunch of a__holes trying to suggest they are smarter than the authorities.
I have no idea if he intended to do harm to the President, but he certainly should be on the list to monitor from here on out.
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Bethina Lee
PO3 Justin Bowen my exhusband is older than I am at 54 and still stuck on stupid. For a Civil Engineer it's pretty hard to believe
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
MSG Thomas Currie - If anything, I see the guy trying to do this to challenge authorities for the sake of claiming he can (which obviously he can't). If anyone has even seen a sovereign citizen video of them getting pulled over, that's all I see... A guy trying to challenge the system just for the sake of doing it and essentially being an a__hole to Police Officers trying to enforce the law in the process. Neither Conservatives or Republicans subscribe, condone, or appreciate their BS.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
Bethina Lee - Entitled generation? He's from my generation (X)... And I assure you that on average, we are hardly an entitled generation.
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Bethina Lee
Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin No we are not entitled, Xer here myself...got a job and paid for my senior class ring, robes, etc..paid for my college/books/rent/etc and basically only had help from my parents 2 times. I'm not going into details...
Idk what is wrong with him...he still chooses to smoke pot, drink like a sailor, he chose not to have any hand in raising our daughter. The only times he would want to visit with her is when he was trying to impress a new girlfriend..he was sporadically in & out of her life since she was 4. (I should say my daughter) I was the one to raise her without child support, slept on the floor of my parents house for almost a year, because I chose to have a better, drug free life for my daughter. At 30 and my daughter 2 with autism, I started my life over again from sleeping on the floor. So I went to bat for her during the parent teacher meetings, therapists, specialist, doctors, and Maintained my management position at a large landscaping company for over 6 yrs...etc..
He is narcissistic, self-centered, selfish, has no empathy for his daughter, bastard. He always contracted out so he didn't have to pay child support. He never paid me..
Idk what is wrong with him...he still chooses to smoke pot, drink like a sailor, he chose not to have any hand in raising our daughter. The only times he would want to visit with her is when he was trying to impress a new girlfriend..he was sporadically in & out of her life since she was 4. (I should say my daughter) I was the one to raise her without child support, slept on the floor of my parents house for almost a year, because I chose to have a better, drug free life for my daughter. At 30 and my daughter 2 with autism, I started my life over again from sleeping on the floor. So I went to bat for her during the parent teacher meetings, therapists, specialist, doctors, and Maintained my management position at a large landscaping company for over 6 yrs...etc..
He is narcissistic, self-centered, selfish, has no empathy for his daughter, bastard. He always contracted out so he didn't have to pay child support. He never paid me..
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