Posted on Aug 9, 2024
Veterans groups hit back at J.D. Vance for claiming Tim Walz had 'stolen valor'
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Vote Vets labeled this claim "Bulls--t," and then explained why.
"Tim submitted his retirement request to the U.S. Army National Guard months prior to the notification of his unit's deployment," they explained. "His unit was fully sourced (staffed), and his request was approved. He retired in May 2005."
"Tim submitted his retirement request to the U.S. Army National Guard months prior to the notification of his unit's deployment," they explained. "His unit was fully sourced (staffed), and his request was approved. He retired in May 2005."
Veterans groups hit back at J.D. Vance for claiming Tim Walz had 'stolen valor'
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My conjecture is that if Senator Vance had mis-stated his military record, The media and democrats would be all over him. And it would be a non-stop news cycle for 2 weeks.
SFC John Davis SFC Kelly Fuerhoff MSG Billy Brumfield
It is not a big deal to me. I have three overseas stripes and I served and Iraq in Afghanistan.
Democrats and news anchors will be p***** off dislike when President Trump went to an open townhall at c.N.N and a scene and executive was terminated.
MAJ Byron Oyler LTC Kevin B. LTC Kevin B. MSG (Join to see) Maj (Join to see)
I think Gov. Walz is weird enough and has enough problems not including his military record.
SFC John Davis SFC Kelly Fuerhoff MSG Billy Brumfield
It is not a big deal to me. I have three overseas stripes and I served and Iraq in Afghanistan.
Democrats and news anchors will be p***** off dislike when President Trump went to an open townhall at c.N.N and a scene and executive was terminated.
MAJ Byron Oyler LTC Kevin B. LTC Kevin B. MSG (Join to see) Maj (Join to see)
I think Gov. Walz is weird enough and has enough problems not including his military record.
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I like the last comment: Afghanistan veteran and director of Common Defense Perry O'Brien similarly called out Vance saying, "Veterans who attack each other's service are weird."
I agree. I've always been perplexed why some veterans feel the need to attack other veterans as a way of somehow differentiating themselves as being better (negative differentiation). Infantry do it to non-Infantry ("POGs"). Airborne do it to non-Airborne ("legs"). Rangers do it to Airborne. SF do it to Rangers. Pilots do it to non-pilots ("shoe salesmen"). Jet pilots do it to tanker and cargo pilots. On and on. Stand out by being proud of what you have done (positive differentiation), rather than bashing what others have or haven't done when serving.
This is a 2024 swiftboating, and the same person is behind it.
I agree. I've always been perplexed why some veterans feel the need to attack other veterans as a way of somehow differentiating themselves as being better (negative differentiation). Infantry do it to non-Infantry ("POGs"). Airborne do it to non-Airborne ("legs"). Rangers do it to Airborne. SF do it to Rangers. Pilots do it to non-pilots ("shoe salesmen"). Jet pilots do it to tanker and cargo pilots. On and on. Stand out by being proud of what you have done (positive differentiation), rather than bashing what others have or haven't done when serving.
This is a 2024 swiftboating, and the same person is behind it.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
LTC Kevin B. - Should people hate him absolutely not. Do people like me that it took years to tolerate fireworks again after being in theater have a right to call him out, absolutely. I spent eight months at a field hospital seeing what people do to other people, many civilians, many children, and perhaps if I had not seen that I would be easier on the guy. I have also been to Italy where he deployed and it is lovely. We have all seen people like Tim Walz that inflate their stories however he is running for the second highest political office in the country and I need that person to be smart enough to know this was going to be out for the entire country to talk about. Nothing wrong with never having deployed to a combat zone but he should have known selling that story was eventually going to burn him.
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LTC Kevin B.
MAJ Byron Oyler - This story was already out there because it had been brought up in two previous campaigns (that Walz won). I suspect they knew it would be out there, but just didn't expect the right to act so venomous about it. I also find that surprising because these are the same people who defended GWB when he was flying the friendly skies of Texas during the Vietnam War, while also ridiculing Al Gore for being in the rear writing stories. These are also the same people who attacked John Kerry's combat service (which all turned out to be false accusations), while protecting that same GWB. And, JD Vance is acting all high and mighty when he wasn't out there kicking down doors and engaging with the enemy either (his role was very much like Al Gore's). And, he's doing so while being on the ticket with someone who used his family's influence to avoid serving all together. When taken in that broader context, this all comes across to me as nothing more than another clear example of political theater.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
LTC Kevin B. - It is politics and Dan Quayle caught just as much heat in 1989 for only serving in the NG.
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LTC Kevin B.
MAJ Byron Oyler - Quayle was paired up with a WWII combat vet who earned the Distinguished Flying Cross. The Democrats definitely couldn't find anything about GHWB's military background to attack, so Quayle was the "soft target". With that being said, it didn't help because GHWB won that election. I don't think this line of attack will help either.
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I don't care about any of it. Did he serve honorably or not? I haven't seen anything that says he didn't.
Did he carry a weapon in combat? It appears he did not. And, that someone else said he did, while he was standing there. But he did not correct their comment. That is wrong.
I'll be perfectly happy if he comes out and clarifies that he did not serve in combat and if appropriate, apologizes for not correcting the mistake.
Now can we get back to the issues. The man is so far to the left that he's got cover from the horizon when you're looking West on a beach in California.
Did he carry a weapon in combat? It appears he did not. And, that someone else said he did, while he was standing there. But he did not correct their comment. That is wrong.
I'll be perfectly happy if he comes out and clarifies that he did not serve in combat and if appropriate, apologizes for not correcting the mistake.
Now can we get back to the issues. The man is so far to the left that he's got cover from the horizon when you're looking West on a beach in California.
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Maj John Bell - You're debating Fuerhoff and Sweeney. There's a waste of logic, thoughts to keyboard, and input. You may as well debate a pet at least then you'd get intelligent feed back. I saw you responded earlier. However Broom censored my profile. So you may or may not get to respond to this one either. No worries on my end if he censors me again.
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Maj John Bell
LTC (Join to see) - Everyone on RP worth their salt spends some time in the Broom closet.
SFC Fuerhoff was all anger and no substance. MSgt Sweeney had some substance (not enough) but could be counted on to go to insult when he'd run out of relevant assertions. It kept me out of trouble. Idle hands...
SFC Fuerhoff was all anger and no substance. MSgt Sweeney had some substance (not enough) but could be counted on to go to insult when he'd run out of relevant assertions. It kept me out of trouble. Idle hands...
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Maj John Bell Yes, I've encountered both of them before. Under other... That's Kelly alright anger and NO substance and Sweeney alway has one or two ok arguments
But, when you counter them logically and leave him no response he reverts to cussing... Broom's not smart. Enough to realize he can't censor me. I'm on here whether he likes it or not. His closet cant stop me from posting. Sounds like Broom's censor you too before. That's to bad. The sad part is RP doesn't realize they're killing the site because of moderators like him. I remember when there used to be several 100 different people or more participating daily on RP. Now, it's just the same 30 to 50 individuals posting on here daily. Very few newcomers or old numbers coming back to discuss our exchange ideals. Then there's the vile ones who wanna tell you, "Suck Trump... and so on. But, they don't get censored. So if I eventually get booted it's no real loss. You and I have chatted before, but not under this profile. I hope you're doing well and having a good election day.
But, when you counter them logically and leave him no response he reverts to cussing... Broom's not smart. Enough to realize he can't censor me. I'm on here whether he likes it or not. His closet cant stop me from posting. Sounds like Broom's censor you too before. That's to bad. The sad part is RP doesn't realize they're killing the site because of moderators like him. I remember when there used to be several 100 different people or more participating daily on RP. Now, it's just the same 30 to 50 individuals posting on here daily. Very few newcomers or old numbers coming back to discuss our exchange ideals. Then there's the vile ones who wanna tell you, "Suck Trump... and so on. But, they don't get censored. So if I eventually get booted it's no real loss. You and I have chatted before, but not under this profile. I hope you're doing well and having a good election day.
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