Posted on Jun 24, 2022
Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade in landmark opinion
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This is a good decision to correct what was judicial activism 50 years ago. Invoking a right to privacy was a stretch at best to justify that decision and it now goes rightfully to the states, unless Congress is ready and able to get off their ass and codify an actual law. I don't care whether you support abortion or not, it really doesn't make a difference with regards to correcting this 50-year-old ruling. All it really did was leave the question open to various interpretations, which can now be discussed, debated, and finally decided. Let's review the science, consider the religious aspects and the rights of women who have been sexually assaulted. Let's find a point in which most Americans can agree with and do away with the absolutes. There are too many issues to consider than to simply sum it up to allowing abortions or not. Those that support it hide behind this ruling as if there shouldn't be a point where we draw the line. Those that don't support abortions 100% need to allow for accommodations for those who cannot afford to raise a child or have been impregnated against their will. Finally, we have to consider personal responsibility too coupled with when most would agree that a fetus is viable enough to survive on its own. It's time for our politicians to do their job and create laws rather than hide behind a ruling which should never have happened. I made this point to my own kids, who both had to be extracted from my wife's womb by c-section since they failed to turn. Could they imagine if we instead had decided to abort the pregnancies? After all, they did not come to term, and despite the fact they were obviously viable to survive, should we still be able to abort them? All in the name of the 4th amendment, which has nothing to do with the decision to abort a child? Hell, even Ruth Bader Ginsburg stated Roe vs Wade impeded the progress towards making an law with respect to abortion. Again, it is time to get legislators off their ass, listen to the will of the people, and pass laws which most would agree with.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
Yeah so we've been sitting here for 50 years unable to actually implement one.
The 4th amendment does not apply. No woman has to give up their privacy to have not have an abortion. And considering the fact that not a single element of abortion can be found in the Constitution, comparing it to your perception of a right which IS in the Constitution is apples to oranges. You speak of self while ignoring whether there is another "self" involved, which is unable to defend itself. Are you an absolute who believes in legalizing all the way to term? In that case, Roe Vs Wade I guess works for you. That is not the case for most Americans. The fact is there is no issue resulting in a loss of privacy initiated by the government.
As to your last statement... I assume you mean to imply that because I am a man that I don't get a say or an opinion. So how do you fit in? Why do you get to defend someone's "right" to an abortion? You have no idea what perspective I come from, whether I've been faced with the decision between myself and a significant other. What if it happened to my underage daughter, or son for that matter? You and I might differ on what constitutes a viable human being within the womb of a mother but what you can at least do is respect people for their perspective that there is another life at stake. Be it at conception or at some point in the pregnancy, you can disagree all you want, but again, most Americans and even the science disagree with you. Both my kids had to be removed via c-section because they didn't turn in my wife's womb. Would you also suggest we could still have aborted them instead if we chose? Seems to me that you were simply comfortable with Roe vs Wade, because it avoided the very complex conversation.
The 4th amendment does not apply. No woman has to give up their privacy to have not have an abortion. And considering the fact that not a single element of abortion can be found in the Constitution, comparing it to your perception of a right which IS in the Constitution is apples to oranges. You speak of self while ignoring whether there is another "self" involved, which is unable to defend itself. Are you an absolute who believes in legalizing all the way to term? In that case, Roe Vs Wade I guess works for you. That is not the case for most Americans. The fact is there is no issue resulting in a loss of privacy initiated by the government.
As to your last statement... I assume you mean to imply that because I am a man that I don't get a say or an opinion. So how do you fit in? Why do you get to defend someone's "right" to an abortion? You have no idea what perspective I come from, whether I've been faced with the decision between myself and a significant other. What if it happened to my underage daughter, or son for that matter? You and I might differ on what constitutes a viable human being within the womb of a mother but what you can at least do is respect people for their perspective that there is another life at stake. Be it at conception or at some point in the pregnancy, you can disagree all you want, but again, most Americans and even the science disagree with you. Both my kids had to be removed via c-section because they didn't turn in my wife's womb. Would you also suggest we could still have aborted them instead if we chose? Seems to me that you were simply comfortable with Roe vs Wade, because it avoided the very complex conversation.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
My opinion was shared with several other judges. I coupled it with the complexities of the issue and specifically how it (privacy) does not apply. You then speak of late term abortions and dismiss them as rare, "generally" involving a serious medical issue. What about those which don't? That's the thing... My views on abortion are not absolute on either side. I believe there is a line and a point where a woman has the time to consider her options. A line in which a woman can reasonably decide whether they can manage a pregnancy, deal with any religious implications they might have, and ultimately sustain a child. A line in which a fetus becomes viable as a child, capable of living outside the womb. I'm not looking to torment women, but like any decision one must make, good or bad, at some point there should be a line and mine is simply different than yours. What I mean about most American's disagree, is with regards to the polling data in which most Americans do not believe abortion should be 100% banned or 100% allowed. Like me, they believe there is a line (where that line is, might be where many disagree). The point is, most Americans do not have an absolute position on this issue. Whether we're mean or women, I also think we should all have a say about this issue. Just as you have. You don't get to hide behind the argument that it is solely a woman's issue, so let them decide and then go on to stating your opinion. I get that it is the woman who ultimately carries 100% of the physical and most of the mental burden, but that doesn't mean the men should be cut out of the issue. Especially when it could involve a girlfriend at an early age, a daughter, a wife, rape, incest, an affair, and even religion.
As for my so-called hypothetical situation, I was asking you a direct question which you are simply avoiding. You see, you'll point out situations where late term abortions are very rare, and usually coupled with health issues, but you'll avoid the other scenarios which can and do exist. My question was clear, are you saying if my wife chose to abort the pregnancy vs having the c-section, you would support that choice? It could be for various reasons; She didn't want to be cut open or the weight of having the baby was suddenly overwhelming. A perfectly viable baby is now subjected to abortion when it clearly has the ability to live outside the womb. That is the science I am referring to. I realize it takes things close to term, but that is the point. As we move further back into the earlier stages of a pregnancy fewer Americans support banning the abortion. Many are looking to what the science says and the implications of ending the viable life of a child. Like me, they also consider the physical harm having the baby might cause and are willing to see exceptions made.
As for my so-called hypothetical situation, I was asking you a direct question which you are simply avoiding. You see, you'll point out situations where late term abortions are very rare, and usually coupled with health issues, but you'll avoid the other scenarios which can and do exist. My question was clear, are you saying if my wife chose to abort the pregnancy vs having the c-section, you would support that choice? It could be for various reasons; She didn't want to be cut open or the weight of having the baby was suddenly overwhelming. A perfectly viable baby is now subjected to abortion when it clearly has the ability to live outside the womb. That is the science I am referring to. I realize it takes things close to term, but that is the point. As we move further back into the earlier stages of a pregnancy fewer Americans support banning the abortion. Many are looking to what the science says and the implications of ending the viable life of a child. Like me, they also consider the physical harm having the baby might cause and are willing to see exceptions made.
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Which is where I believed it should have always been... but, damn... really never thought it would happen.
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We will correct this mistake in the near future. The extremists will not win.
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