Posted on Dec 20, 2021
Outgoing NIH director implores Fox News viewers to stay focused on the real 'enemy'
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On his last day as director of the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Francis Collins' frustration was evident.
"I get upset because people point to anecdotes of somebody who got sick even though they had been vaccinated and say, 'There, you see, it doesn't work,' " Collins told Fox News Sunday guest host Bret Baier. "That's way too simplistic."
As the omicron variant of COVID-19 is set to wend its way through the American population — wreaking particular havoc on the unvaccinated — 50 million vaccine-eligible Americans still haven't gotten even one dose of COVID-19 vaccine. "How did that happen?" Collins asked. "How did we get all of this so mixed up with social media, misinformation, and political insertion into the discussion? This is the thing for me on my last day as NIH director that I find particularly frustrating."
On his last day as director of the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Francis Collins' frustration was evident.
"I get upset because people point to anecdotes of somebody who got sick even though they had been vaccinated and say, 'There, you see, it doesn't work,' " Collins told Fox News Sunday guest host Bret Baier. "That's way too simplistic."
As the omicron variant of COVID-19 is set to wend its way through the American population — wreaking particular havoc on the unvaccinated — 50 million vaccine-eligible Americans still haven't gotten even one dose of COVID-19 vaccine. "How did that happen?" Collins asked. "How did we get all of this so mixed up with social media, misinformation, and political insertion into the discussion? This is the thing for me on my last day as NIH director that I find particularly frustrating."
Outgoing NIH director implores Fox News viewers to stay focused on the real 'enemy'
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As a clinician I understand his frustrations as so many are morbidly ill and so many are dying. It is an ASAP human wave assault and front line clinicians feel they are failing to save these lives.
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There is no evidence, as of right now, that Omicron wreaks any particular havoc on the unvaccinated. It appears to be milder, wreaking LESS havoc than any other variant. AND it appears to be far more resistant to the vaccine, wreaking what little havoc it does on both the vaxxed and unvaxxed. And as the vaxxed tend to be more relaxed about OTHER preventive measures (such as social distancing and gatherings), omicron appears, so far, to be wreaking it's havoc more on the vaxxed than the unvaxxed.
Yes, I understand this is a minor part in the overarching story. But when you are going to discuss the disinformation causing folks to not get vaccinated, spreading your own disinformation - or at least unsupported editorialization - is particularly egregious. Even if it is through lazy writing and lazy editing, rather than malicious intent.
As for Dr. Collins, IMO, the 'real enemy' is the consistent governmental power grabs. He has been trying to keep us all living and breathing, which is a noble cause. It is also his JOB - so he comes at this from a certain perspective. So, while he wants to make sure we have life, the GOP counter-natrative folks are trying to make sure that life is worth living. Both are important. And both are focused on very real enemies with very real, life-altering, long-term consequences. Dr. Collins is worried only about life. Years ago, as our nation was being born, Patrick Henry said "Give me liberty or give me death!". Some folks still believe in it.
Yes, I understand this is a minor part in the overarching story. But when you are going to discuss the disinformation causing folks to not get vaccinated, spreading your own disinformation - or at least unsupported editorialization - is particularly egregious. Even if it is through lazy writing and lazy editing, rather than malicious intent.
As for Dr. Collins, IMO, the 'real enemy' is the consistent governmental power grabs. He has been trying to keep us all living and breathing, which is a noble cause. It is also his JOB - so he comes at this from a certain perspective. So, while he wants to make sure we have life, the GOP counter-natrative folks are trying to make sure that life is worth living. Both are important. And both are focused on very real enemies with very real, life-altering, long-term consequences. Dr. Collins is worried only about life. Years ago, as our nation was being born, Patrick Henry said "Give me liberty or give me death!". Some folks still believe in it.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
If the FDA and CDC would get rid of the propaganda mill and tell people the straight facts instead of all the hype, we would be better off. This mess has been a complete failure of the Public Health System, especially at Federal Level, to deal rationally with a disease that is very specific in whom it effects. They all read the Ferguson computer model results, didn't check to see Ferguson's record of being wrong or the number of scientists that pointed this out, panicked and then chose as an intervention the method of the Chinese Communist Party in spite of the fact that this was not the planned response, nor was there any evidence it worked. And after two years of it not working, they want to try it again.
After almost two years, there is NO treatment protocols advocated by the FDA and CDC while they still push "Vaccines" that don't meet the traditional definition. They don't keep you from getting the disease, don't keep you from spreading the disease, and they all have documented side effects that are listed as "Rare", but so is hospitalizations and deaths in that under 30 group most effected.
After almost two years, there is NO treatment protocols advocated by the FDA and CDC while they still push "Vaccines" that don't meet the traditional definition. They don't keep you from getting the disease, don't keep you from spreading the disease, and they all have documented side effects that are listed as "Rare", but so is hospitalizations and deaths in that under 30 group most effected.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
CPT Lawrence Cable the treatment protocol thing is what gets me. It seems, based on what I have read - and I will admit to my own bias when choosing what I read, and ALSO admit my lack of expertise* - that there is a significant difference in the bar set for approval of treatment and that set for vaccination. Especially when considering "off-label" utilizations of existing approved drugs. If we treated other routine off label uses of approved drugs they way we are treating treatments for COVID, 3/4 of doctors in America would be under threat of losing their license**.
*These admissions mean that this comment is entirely opinion. But it is, IMNSHO, WELL-REASONED opinion, based on evidence, not just conjured out of my own thoughts (which, due to how awesome of a thinker I am, should really be enough for anyone, anyway. But I digress....) or biases. While I asknowledge my bias, I am also not entirely a slave to it, and recognize when it shapes opinion contrary to evidence or precedent.
**This number is entirely made up. I have no evidence to support it. But it is honestly probably a low estimate, as almost all doctors prescribe off-label from time to time. Some more than others.
*These admissions mean that this comment is entirely opinion. But it is, IMNSHO, WELL-REASONED opinion, based on evidence, not just conjured out of my own thoughts (which, due to how awesome of a thinker I am, should really be enough for anyone, anyway. But I digress....) or biases. While I asknowledge my bias, I am also not entirely a slave to it, and recognize when it shapes opinion contrary to evidence or precedent.
**This number is entirely made up. I have no evidence to support it. But it is honestly probably a low estimate, as almost all doctors prescribe off-label from time to time. Some more than others.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SGT Charlie Lee Yes, I did. I am over 65 and the risk are acceptable in my age group. I do not want to mandate the under 30 or anyone else get it to "protect" my old ass.
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I must have missed the part where he regrets about the U.S. CDC shutting down real-world data collection on most breakthrough infections (anybody who tested positive after being fully vaccinated but didn't land in the hospital or morgue) since May 1.
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CW4 Guy Butler
Wonder why? From your article:
“State officials say the explanation isn’t that Americans are uniquely unlikely to get a second shot but instead that the country’s health system, unlike its G-7 peers, is exceptionally fragmented. Each state maintains its own set of data, some have several, and all blend their information with data from health providers such as pharmacies and federal programs.
The system struggles to accurately record people who get shots in different places or from different providers. For example, someone who got a shot in one county and a second shot in another might be recorded as two first doses, instead of fully vaccinated.”
“State officials say the explanation isn’t that Americans are uniquely unlikely to get a second shot but instead that the country’s health system, unlike its G-7 peers, is exceptionally fragmented. Each state maintains its own set of data, some have several, and all blend their information with data from health providers such as pharmacies and federal programs.
The system struggles to accurately record people who get shots in different places or from different providers. For example, someone who got a shot in one county and a second shot in another might be recorded as two first doses, instead of fully vaccinated.”
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1LT William Clardy
If you read the descriptive text, CW4 Guy Butler, you may notice that the U.S. CDC is presenting their summation from data collected by states or other regional public-health agencies, despite the CDC trying their best to present it as comprehensive national data.
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"Beginning May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections to investigating only those among patients who are hospitalized or die, thereby focusing on the cases of highest clinical and public health significance."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7021e3.htm
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"On May 1, 2021, after collecting data on thousands of vaccine breakthrough infections, CDC changed the focus of how it uses data from this reporting system. ... Persons with asymptomatic or mild cases of vaccine breakthrough infections may not seek testing or medical care and thus these types of vaccine breakthrough cases may be underrepresented in this system."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html#anchor_ [login to see] 94
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"Beginning May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections to investigating only those among patients who are hospitalized or die, thereby focusing on the cases of highest clinical and public health significance."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7021e3.htm
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"On May 1, 2021, after collecting data on thousands of vaccine breakthrough infections, CDC changed the focus of how it uses data from this reporting system. ... Persons with asymptomatic or mild cases of vaccine breakthrough infections may not seek testing or medical care and thus these types of vaccine breakthrough cases may be underrepresented in this system."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html#anchor_ [login to see] 94
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COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections Reported to CDC ...
COVID-19 vaccines are a critical tool for controlling the ongoing global pandemic.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
CW4 Guy Butler - And you missed this part. State and local officials say it’s improbable that 37 million Americans got one shot without completing their inoculations. Instead, they say, the government has regularly and incorrectly counted booster shots and second doses as first doses, a dynamic the CDC acknowledged in a statement.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
CW4 Guy Butler in 30 seconds I can see two major problems with the data presented here. First, it does not account for partially vaccinated persons. Second it gives no indication of protection over time (i.e. how long since last dose when so-called "breakthrough" infection occurred).
An additional minute of scrutiny identifies the biggest problem of all with the data presented here. It represents 26 of 50 states (plus NYC which is probably being double counted as NY is already one of the 26 states).
This report is nowhere NEAR complete. Nor does it overcome LT Clardy's objections.
An additional minute of scrutiny identifies the biggest problem of all with the data presented here. It represents 26 of 50 states (plus NYC which is probably being double counted as NY is already one of the 26 states).
This report is nowhere NEAR complete. Nor does it overcome LT Clardy's objections.
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