Posted on Sep 20, 2021
10 Years After Don't Ask, Don't Tell Was Repealed, the Military Reckons with Past Discrimination
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It's amazing how the sky never fell, and the ground didn't open up and consume us all like the conservatives were screaming would happen if DADT were repealed....
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SPC Kevin Ford
SFC Casey O'Mally - You are right that this is exceedingly hard to measure. We can't even look at troop lethality over ten years (or whatever) because that would imply that any given opposing force was static within that period (didn't get better or worse equipment, didn't change tactics, didn't have a change in their numbers, etc).
Having said that we've got over 150 years (at least) of people claiming social changes would ruin the military's readiness. In the long run none have ever measurably materialized. Things that we can tie back to readiness are more often doctrine, training and/or equipment choice. I can't think of any social change in 150+ years (letting blacks serve, integrating the troops, letting women serve, letting women serve in combat roles, letting gay people openly serve, etc) where there has been a measurable impact in readiness in the long run. Every single time it was predicted, but it has never materialized.
Having said that we've got over 150 years (at least) of people claiming social changes would ruin the military's readiness. In the long run none have ever measurably materialized. Things that we can tie back to readiness are more often doctrine, training and/or equipment choice. I can't think of any social change in 150+ years (letting blacks serve, integrating the troops, letting women serve, letting women serve in combat roles, letting gay people openly serve, etc) where there has been a measurable impact in readiness in the long run. Every single time it was predicted, but it has never materialized.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
SFC Michael Hasbun
A) please note where I said I did not have an answer to my question.
B) please note where I said that I would guess that we have pretty much the same lethality now as 11 years ago - which would be in line with your "no decrease."
C) we absolutely have the data for enemies taken off the battlefield. Every S2 and G2 in the GWOT was tracking these stats, and rolling them into NCOER and OER bullets. It is *quite possibly* true that there is not a consolidated database (but also quite possibly true that there is). It is almost definitely true that if there *is* a database that it is not publicly searchable. But let's not pretend that just because you and I do not have access to the data that the data does not exist.
D) we cannot measure how many missions we turned down. But we *can* measure how many missions we did, what type, and with what level of commitment (I.e. US squad leading one Afghan trainee or ANA squad leading one US advisor). And that number RADICALLY declined from 2010 to present.
E) please, Please, PLEASE tell me that you understand that we cannot measure lethality by how many of our OWN troops die?
F) Again you are trying to compare apples to oranges. Obviously laser guided munitions of today are better than bomb sights of WWII. But that is completely irrelevant to the question at hand.
A) please note where I said I did not have an answer to my question.
B) please note where I said that I would guess that we have pretty much the same lethality now as 11 years ago - which would be in line with your "no decrease."
C) we absolutely have the data for enemies taken off the battlefield. Every S2 and G2 in the GWOT was tracking these stats, and rolling them into NCOER and OER bullets. It is *quite possibly* true that there is not a consolidated database (but also quite possibly true that there is). It is almost definitely true that if there *is* a database that it is not publicly searchable. But let's not pretend that just because you and I do not have access to the data that the data does not exist.
D) we cannot measure how many missions we turned down. But we *can* measure how many missions we did, what type, and with what level of commitment (I.e. US squad leading one Afghan trainee or ANA squad leading one US advisor). And that number RADICALLY declined from 2010 to present.
E) please, Please, PLEASE tell me that you understand that we cannot measure lethality by how many of our OWN troops die?
F) Again you are trying to compare apples to oranges. Obviously laser guided munitions of today are better than bomb sights of WWII. But that is completely irrelevant to the question at hand.
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PO1 Mark Koenig
Sounds like the Army is showing PRIDE in Bradley Manning. Does Chelsea Manning more represent Army values than Bradley Manning did?
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When I was a young soldier at Ft Eustis a very attractive female soldier asked me to pretend to be her boyfriend, so the army would not perceive she was gay. It gets better hahaha. Her very hot girlfriends would come to the barracks and kiss me to continue the charade. Naturally the guys asked me how come I was such a chick magnet. lol
I had so much fun at AIT learning about Chinooks. My instructor was an Vietnam veteran E-7. One time he spoke with such reverie as he talked of smoking marijuana on the open rear ramp door of a Chinook flying over the Vietnamese jungle, as if that was the highlight of his life.
Me and a female soldier were going to fornicate in the open near the James River, but the sand flies attacked us like kamikazes. We had to put our clothes back on and run to my truck. I had such a good time at Ft Eustis!
I had so much fun at AIT learning about Chinooks. My instructor was an Vietnam veteran E-7. One time he spoke with such reverie as he talked of smoking marijuana on the open rear ramp door of a Chinook flying over the Vietnamese jungle, as if that was the highlight of his life.
Me and a female soldier were going to fornicate in the open near the James River, but the sand flies attacked us like kamikazes. We had to put our clothes back on and run to my truck. I had such a good time at Ft Eustis!
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