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It seems to me Utopias depend on the idea of everyone working together and sacrificing their dreams for the group. Reality doesn’t work that way. The Pilgrims were going to set up a “Christian” Utopia. The reality? Part of the group worked and contributes, part of the group felt entitled and did nothing. Before it collapsed the Pilgrams modified and allowed private ownership of property etc and started a capitalistic system. New Harmony Indiana started as a Christian commune and was purchased by a wealthy Scot to become a utopia. It failed for the same reason as the Puritans. Communist create a false enemy and divide by pitting one part of society against the other. Communist Atheists killed 100 million people over 100 years. Religion is often banned or discouraged because people are committed to something outside the Utopia. We can not have a utopia because we are not perfect.
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LTC David Brown
Communist and Nazis are not far apart. They are totalitarian relaying on a common enemy to split society and advance to power. For the Nazis it was Jews ans communist, For the communist it was the Bourgeoisie.
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"to form a more perfect Union"
We have never been "perfect" (ideal) and never will. That was not the intention of our founders.
And I see you have followed the lead of many right-wingers and lump Nazis and communist together. They were not. As a matter of history they were 180 degrees opposite.
And it is human nature to strive for a Utopia. Just read the Bible, for an example.
We have never been "perfect" (ideal) and never will. That was not the intention of our founders.
And I see you have followed the lead of many right-wingers and lump Nazis and communist together. They were not. As a matter of history they were 180 degrees opposite.
And it is human nature to strive for a Utopia. Just read the Bible, for an example.
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CPT Jack Durish
No, I'm am not arguing with you, but rather leaving the following for those who have the misfortune of stumbling upon your post. "Nazi": Member of National Socialist German Workers' Party. Yes, the Leftist trolls attempt to inject "Extreme Right" as a qualifier, but the key is "Socialist". The Nazis were collectivists, just as the Communists were and still are. The Leftist ideology is collectivism. In all its guises, collectivism espouses that the individual is subordinate to the collective which is diametrically opposed to the founding principles of America. For a collective to function, individual rights are subordinated to the needs of the collective, and for a collective to function, it must be controlled centrally. Thus, those at the top of the collective will always perceive their Utopia as perfect. After all, they live the good life. Look at the children of dictators who escape the collapse of the collective and live off the proceeds of lavish wealth accumulated at the expense of those who are trapped within it
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LTC David Brown
Communist and Nazis are not far apart. Both wanted control over industry, both were totalitarian. Both established a common “enemy “ to pit the citizens against. For Germans Nazis it was the Jews, for Russian communist it was the Bourgeois. They both believed in a workers paradise. For the communist it was sharing in profits of labor, for Nazis it was communal farms. Hitler dreamed of an agrarian society.
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LTC David Brown
CPT Jack Durish - Indeed, Hitler envisioned an agricultural communal society as the Aryan utopia. I watched a movie made by the Nazis with a NAZI revolutionary trying to reestablished a communal farm. https://www.jstor.org/stable/3739781
Pre-War Nazi Agrarian Policy on JSTOR
James W. Miller, Pre-War Nazi Agrarian Policy, Agricultural History, Vol. 15, No. 4 (Oct., 1941), pp. 175-181
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