Gun Control and Magical Thinking

If conservatives think that, they are mistaken as well. They never turned them in. It was a buy-back. Folk who chose not to turn their guns in were not shot, killed, arrested, tortured or any of the other republi-fear items frequently bleated over the airwaves.

And just to cut you off at the pass, they haven't done that in Britain or France either...

http://time.com/4172274/what-its-like-to-own-guns-in-a-country-with-strict-gun-control/

From the article:
Then, after the 1996 massacre, I probably had to hand in six to eight semiautomatic rifles and shotguns to the police. We got fair value for them, but I wasn’t thrilled to be doing it because I thought “Well gee, what have I done wrong?”

He doesn’t say they had a choice he says that they HAD to hand them in even though he got “fair market value”

To me that IS the definition of confiscation.

He goes on:
It’s actually not that hard to own a gun. But you do have to have a genuine reason.

Note to gun grabbers: why should I be forced to come up with a “geniune reason” to exercise my constitutional rights.

MSgt (Join to see) - Great article. Do you agree with it or not? See - the problem would not necessarily be with you but how you are raised. I was an Air Force brat for all of my life, so for 21 years, I was used to having my ID card on me, having to show my ID card on demand, etc. So when people talk of a voter ID card, I'm like "whats the problem?" But if you have not been raised walking around with a card all the time, it would seem to be impinging upon your freedom.

My dad was stationed in England so I grew up in England and actually shot my first gun/bought my first gun in England. Not that hard to do. Compared to *here* its torture. But having bought guns in England I don't mind the waiting periods, etc. I also don't mind the storage requirements, etc. I have two uncle-in-laws who received their "bring your guns in" letter and they took their guns in. The British plan was you bring in your receipts and the gov cut you a check for what you paid. If you didn't have a receipt, they had valuators there (like in Antiques Roadshow). Long story short, uncles didn't like the amount and ended up keeping their guns. Still have them a decade later.

The Aussie in your article has more guns than I'll ever own (I have five at the mo) but its interesting that he feels "better" under his requirements and restrictions. So like the ID cards, I guess it all depends on your outlook.

Yes, and that is one of the things the article says.

SSG (Join to see) you hit the nail on the head, this country need to enforce the laws. ALL of the laws. When a convicted felon attempts to purchase a firearm, there should be a cop at that location in minuets and take this miscreant off to jail.

IMO, this goes beyond just gun laws. Law enforcement seems to have gotten away from enforcing the very basic laws. For instance I have personally seen three people run red lights or stop signs with a cop at the intersection, yet the cop does nothing. Basic psychology here, if the rules are not bot being enforced, no one will follow them and it escalates. Speed limits, stop signs... lead to assault, theft... where does society draw the line and demand that law enforcement does it's job?

Another problem America has is too many courts and no transparency between them. For example, my neighbor was arrested for drunk driving and sentenced by civil court and her license removed by department of motor vehicles. She got a lawyer and fought it and won (state of Florida mandates automatic DUI with 12 month loss of driving for doing nothing OTHER than refusing a breathylizer test - which she did).

However, even tho she beat it in civil court and got her record expunged, etc, the civil court judge does not talk to the traffic judge. Too many ropes to jump. So the problem is that the a label can keep you from voting or getting a gun. Hence, doctors and authorities don't want that hanging over their heads. Doctors in Florida and other states have been sued for "loss of rights". We see people all the time suing doctors because they were mistakenly labelled "suicidal" and now they can't have a gun, etc. And sadly, once given, those labels can rarely be removed.

PO3 Donald Murphy - That is another issue but yes the whole system needs work. like for your example the case should of went to a criminal judge and not a civil one and the judge should be punished for giving a sentence that is outside of how the law is written. Even the Judge should be punished for not following the law.

Yes, fixing the database, and prosecuting felons who lie on their background check, would be required.