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Sailors Could Face Criminal Charges After Deadly Ship Collisions

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Sailors Could Face Criminal Charges After Deadly Ship Collisions

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Posted 7 y ago

Responses: 10

CMDCM Gene Treants

Posted 7 y ago

I don't think anyone is shocked that we are still looking to hang people for this BUT it is time to fix all these silly mistakes - YES SILLY - and get our standards back to that of the United States Navy! We were always at Sea and Anchor at least 2 hours PRIOR to entering the Straits, no questions asked.

Let's make sure we learn the lessons here and not just hang people! Time to heal and get underway correctly!

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CMDCM Gene Treants

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SCPO Morris Ramsey - No, I do not really think they were silly either - but tragic that Senior officers and enlisted put up with the crap that led to the death of any Sailors. Time to get back to basics and not put up with BS.

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PO3 Aaron Hassay

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https://navy-matters.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-optimal-manning-experiment.html

The Optimal Manning Experiment

Long ago, the Navy committed to minimal manning as a cost savings measure. They later changed the phrase to “optimal manning” as a public ...

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PO3 Aaron Hassay

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https://blog.usni.org/posts/2011/01/27/a-merciful-end-to-optimal-manning

A Merciful End to “Optimal Manning”

Within the excellent remarks by Admiral Richard W. Hunt, Commander of Third Fleet, who delivered the Keynote Address to open USNI West 2011, was a confirmation of those made by VCNO, Admiral Jonathan Greenert, regarding the ending of the experiment of "optimal manning". While acknowledging that...

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CMDCM Gene Treants

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PO3 Aaron Hassay - Now if it really comes to pass will we be surprised or relieved that Navy is finally aware that people are the most important factor in SHIPS!

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SGT Jim Arnold

Posted 7 y ago

ok I'm gonna need some schooling on boat awareness. Don't y'all have somebody that watches radar and on deck staff?

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LCDR Gordon Brown

7 y

LT Brad McInnis - I have to say then the "Old Salts" really screwed up and FAILED to teach the basics of seamanship.

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Capt Tom Brown

7 y

Yes as I recall we had an Officer of the Deck; a Junior Officer of the Deck; and a Junior Officer of the Watch. I was qualified and stood JOW which involved plotting CPAs which got really hairy if you had 3 or more to plot at the same time. Exact duties of the others I can't recall, but, before an officer can stand an underway deck watch he has to be qualified and attend a formal, programed and rigorous course of training leading up to qualification. Each step along the way is tested and signed off on by the Ship's Training Officer. At a minimum these folks were qualified to stand the deck watch. Of course a person has to gain experience over a long period of time in learning how to handle and face the infinite number of things which can go wrong on watch.

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PO3 Aaron Hassay

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https://navy-matters.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-optimal-manning-experiment.html

The Optimal Manning Experiment

Long ago, the Navy committed to minimal manning as a cost savings measure. They later changed the phrase to “optimal manning” as a public ...

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PO3 Aaron Hassay

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https://blog.usni.org/posts/2011/01/27/a-merciful-end-to-optimal-manning

A Merciful End to “Optimal Manning”

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LCDR Gordon Brown

Posted 7 y ago

Having spent many years at sea both in the US Navy and as a Merchant Marine Engineering officer I find it very difficult to understand how training throughout the USN could be so poor that it would lead to these tragic accidents.

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LT Brad McInnis

7 y

LCDR Gordon Brown I went to CHENG school with the MCC CO. I am at a loss (haven't talked to him about the incident). I did a tour at Afloat Training Group. The fact (as I see it) is that this is a long term problem. We have undermanned ships for decades, told them to do more with less, and have had a zero tolerance policy WRT failing anything. The sad thing is that this cauldron of crap has been building for so long, and we all knew about it. When you raised your voice or concerns, you were told to shut up or ship out. It is now catching up with the Navy, at the expense of the lives of some of our greatest young sailors. The Navy owes them better, I just hope that this will be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and the problems get fixed... My soapbox and my 2 cents...

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PO3 Aaron Hassay

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https://navy-matters.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-optimal-manning-experiment.html

The Optimal Manning Experiment

Long ago, the Navy committed to minimal manning as a cost savings measure. They later changed the phrase to “optimal manning” as a public ...

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PO3 Aaron Hassay

>1 y

https://blog.usni.org/posts/2011/01/27/a-merciful-end-to-optimal-manning

A Merciful End to “Optimal Manning”

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LCDR Gordon Brown

>1 y

PO3 Aaron Hassay - Thank you for the two posts. That really explains the reasons ($) for the failure of Command to provide correct levels of manning, training and maintenance.

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