Posted on Sep 9, 2017
How Democrats left America naked before North Korea’s nukes
5.81K
61
38
12
11
1
Posted 7 y ago
Responses: 7
I greatly respect Marc Thiessen, and in my career had several occasions to work with him. I admire his ability to turn facts into phrases and words that catch the public’s attention.
However, in examining the facts, and with a portion of my career associated with missile defense and strategic nuclear defense, I am compelled to clarify and point out a few things. The issues and facts are much more complex than those who oversimplify national missile defense as a Republicans vs Democrats political issue.
First, missile defense programs research, defense, and acquisition programs have enjoyed relatively robust funding (within the defense budget) for decades, regardless of political party in power with Congress and who was President.
See https://www.mda.mil/global/documents/pdf/FY17_histfunds.pdf
The $7.9 billion dollars appropriated in FY2010 (under President Obama) surpasses four of the eight years of the Bush presidency.
Recall that the Pentagon’s overall budgets were constrained by various sequestrations and Budget Control Acts, during times when our military’s warfighters rightfully needed appropriate investments in capabilities to win on the battlefields of Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere, and protect the lives and limbs of our soldiers, Marines, sailors, and airmen. For example, where should the money come from to improve our counter-IED capabilities, and improve the care for our wounded warriors?
So, during times when the intelligence community was stating that it would be years before North Korea could threaten the United States with nuclear-tipped ICBMs, how many ground based interceptors would you have the taxpayers buy? None? A dozen? Three dozen? Four dozen? How many Ground Based Interceptor missiles do we need, and when, and how fast can new interceptor mmissiles be procured? Can we surge our production capability while retaining reliability? Can we make defensive missiles faster than North Korea can make more ICBMs?
Regarding the scrapping of missile defense installations in Poland and the Czech Republic: how much would those installations contribute to our national capabilities to defend U.S. soil from North Korean missile threats? Or would those European missile defense capabilities be needed more to defend Poland (and the EU) from Russia, with perhaps a future capability to defend the United States from Iran if and when they have ICBMs? Can our Aegis/SM-3 capabilities adequately offset the lack of ground-based stationing of U.S. missile defenses in eastern Europe? Can and should Europe have their own ground-based missile defense capabilities? And by the way, how does this affect Russia's continued compliance with the Strategic Offensive Reductions Treaty, signed in 2002 by then-President Bush?
I do agree with Marc’s conclusion and recommendation: in light of North Korea’s recently demonstrated capabilities, we should increase our nation’s investments in our national missile defense programs.
However, in examining the facts, and with a portion of my career associated with missile defense and strategic nuclear defense, I am compelled to clarify and point out a few things. The issues and facts are much more complex than those who oversimplify national missile defense as a Republicans vs Democrats political issue.
First, missile defense programs research, defense, and acquisition programs have enjoyed relatively robust funding (within the defense budget) for decades, regardless of political party in power with Congress and who was President.
See https://www.mda.mil/global/documents/pdf/FY17_histfunds.pdf
The $7.9 billion dollars appropriated in FY2010 (under President Obama) surpasses four of the eight years of the Bush presidency.
Recall that the Pentagon’s overall budgets were constrained by various sequestrations and Budget Control Acts, during times when our military’s warfighters rightfully needed appropriate investments in capabilities to win on the battlefields of Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere, and protect the lives and limbs of our soldiers, Marines, sailors, and airmen. For example, where should the money come from to improve our counter-IED capabilities, and improve the care for our wounded warriors?
So, during times when the intelligence community was stating that it would be years before North Korea could threaten the United States with nuclear-tipped ICBMs, how many ground based interceptors would you have the taxpayers buy? None? A dozen? Three dozen? Four dozen? How many Ground Based Interceptor missiles do we need, and when, and how fast can new interceptor mmissiles be procured? Can we surge our production capability while retaining reliability? Can we make defensive missiles faster than North Korea can make more ICBMs?
Regarding the scrapping of missile defense installations in Poland and the Czech Republic: how much would those installations contribute to our national capabilities to defend U.S. soil from North Korean missile threats? Or would those European missile defense capabilities be needed more to defend Poland (and the EU) from Russia, with perhaps a future capability to defend the United States from Iran if and when they have ICBMs? Can our Aegis/SM-3 capabilities adequately offset the lack of ground-based stationing of U.S. missile defenses in eastern Europe? Can and should Europe have their own ground-based missile defense capabilities? And by the way, how does this affect Russia's continued compliance with the Strategic Offensive Reductions Treaty, signed in 2002 by then-President Bush?
I do agree with Marc’s conclusion and recommendation: in light of North Korea’s recently demonstrated capabilities, we should increase our nation’s investments in our national missile defense programs.
b§lâMªbFëw?ëu;(wþZ ËFU,¡PámȪ¶[ÐÚçáÆÚVùcòÙGfË#SÍÊû266l5õnr=ÐßÍí ØVC«Z.xC_&MÚ˵ÏÞÐÖwZͺ)a#F¿·_0úËìjL~ª!¡§rLèÿþpWW9$öAø%ç9&Æ
(5)
(0)
CWO3 (Join to see)
Permanent facilities in Europe also run the risk of ending up in the wrong hands in the event of a land grab. Those aren't so far-fetched these days either, with Putin's goal of revitalizing Russia back into what the USSR once was. That's what most of his efforts to destabilize EU, NATO, and US have been about. Bytes are less expensive fiscally and politically, than physical aggression and adventurism.
(2)
(0)
SSgt Christopher Brose
"...in light of North Korea’s recently demonstrated capabilities, we should increase our nation’s investments in our national missile defense programs." That was the same conclusion those of us on the right reached three decades ago. Welcome to the party.
(1)
(0)
MAJ Tex Hall
SSgt Christopher Brose - And remember how Reagan couldn't get "Star Wars" funded to the levels our military believed were needed? What about the laser system in the nose cone of a 747 still sitting in NM waiting for funding to get it fully operational (it was damned close in the late 90s)? Guess ole Bush was wrong in his countries that he listed as the Axis of Evil, good thing we didn't keep HUMINT tracking them and prepping for what is obvious to the unclued ones now.
(1)
(0)
Guess SSG Tiltin was unaware that the Russians evacuated an entire town on the boarder with NK just before the last test! As got the collapse of the test site... standby it ain't over till it's over!
(3)
(0)
LTC (Join to see)
Sandy, do you think the South Koreans or the Japanese will use their improved Aegis missile system to shoot down the next rocket that gets fired from North Korea? From what I have heard, the South Koreans have are bigger than all our Destroyers and they have better missile systems that can shoot higher than the Patriot. I believe Japan has them as well. What do you think the chances are of our allies acting unilaterally because they are pissed off that they're shooting these Rockets over Japan in our general direction? I just heard South Korea has had its limits removed on its Warhead payload on its missiles. I know they won't get nuclear ones but I think or believe Japan may become a nuclear power soon to counterbalance North Korea. What are your thoughts?
(0)
(0)
LTC Marc King
Lt. Sandy: I don't know your definition of a far righwing web site. Look at the story then look at the map and see how close this town is to the boarder with North Korea. I conclude that the Russians knew how large the test would be without any assurance on the topography and knowing the prevailing winds which can carry any released radiation from the test site. The town was evacuated in an abundance of caution.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=13&ved=0ahUKEwjt-oLpw5rWAhVISiYKHQPBC7MQFgg7MAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsmax.com%2Ft%2F%23!newsmax%2Farticle%2F810527&usg=AFQjCNEixjgm2koP32zbn6db3l9hVMNaTw
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=13&ved=0ahUKEwjt-oLpw5rWAhVISiYKHQPBC7MQFgg7MAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsmax.com%2Ft%2F%23!newsmax%2Farticle%2F810527&usg=AFQjCNEixjgm2koP32zbn6db3l9hVMNaTw
The requested URL /https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsmax.com%2Ft%2F%23!newsmax%2Farticle%2F810527 was not found on this server. That’s all we know.
(0)
(0)
Suspended Profile
LTC Marc King - I asked Russian colleagues - Putin said in Russian media he is moving his people out of concern for becoming collateral damage from US attack. This should be a sign to N Koreans that they are standing alone downrange of US battle plans. Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
(0)
(0)
Russian nonsense, the place at risk, if North Korea really had nukes would be Vladivostok in Russia less than 100 miles from that crater supposedly left by the last test. Not a bit of radiation though.
Lucky for the Russians Steven Segal, ex Navy Seal, Special Forces Cook, lives there with his mother. If anyone can stop them it's him
Lucky for the Russians Steven Segal, ex Navy Seal, Special Forces Cook, lives there with his mother. If anyone can stop them it's him
(3)
(0)
LTC (Join to see)
This is a good discussion and there's nothing wrong with making mistakes here. I've been learning from all of you. It's a crock of crap though since I remember the first launched from North Korea in 1999 and I thought Japan was mad then. I am just surprised they haven't fired another missile or bomb today because isn't it an anniversary of the founding of North Korea today?
(1)
(0)
SSG Edward Tilton
One more time, The Monsoon season is over so that Map doesn't apply. One Korean Missle landed 60 miles off Vladivostok. Which is about 100 miles from North Korea. Russia and China are wondering why we haven't retaliated or shot one down. Like them I am beginning to wonder if it works or is just a trillion dollar boondoggle. I shut the LT off because she challenged my ability to do my job. I'm not going to argue that. So now, what is this truth I can't handle?
(0)
(0)
Suspended Profile
SSG Edward Tilton - My apologies - I never meant to suggest there may be any reason you might not be able to do your job. I was a nurse - later worked for State - the last thing on my mind was whether you could do your job. Yes, I know Vladisvostok quite well - spent some time there and in other ports watching ships in running to and fro - making tea from an always hot samovar - and brushing up on my language skills. armest Regards, Sandy :)
SSG Edward Tilton
I'll get over it, we may soon have a concrete answer if that volcano start a plume.
(0)
(0)
Read This Next