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What do you think about this Vietnam vets rant about the Army?
https://youtu.be/ArB-6UCwNoI I think he speaks for most soldiers.
https://youtu.be/ArB-6UCwNoI I think he speaks for most soldiers.
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What do I think? This individual is just another miserable Hypocrite.
Easy to talk shit, claiming you hate the organization and service and then your ass is wearing a Vietnam Veteran hat.....complaining about people thanking him for his service, you don't like it, don't want to be affiliated with it than take the damned hat off your ungrateful hypocrite ass.
Easy to talk shit, claiming you hate the organization and service and then your ass is wearing a Vietnam Veteran hat.....complaining about people thanking him for his service, you don't like it, don't want to be affiliated with it than take the damned hat off your ungrateful hypocrite ass.
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SPC Anthony Schepis I joined of my own free will because I love our country and felt that aiding South Vietnam was a just cause. If he hates the Army so much, why is he wearing a Vietnam Veteran cap?
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Well, what he said is the reality for some.
There are people in today's all-volunteer military who, strangely enough, feel the same way. Which always perplexed me, for the very fact that they CHOSE to join up...there is no draft today.
Now, while I can appreciate this man's history which explains his feelings, I should hope that he would not return rude behavior to those who thanked him for his service. Most especially since he evidently goes round wearing a Vietnam Veteran ball cap.
If I were to thank him for his service and he were to extend rude behavior in response? Especially while wearing that hat? Well, I'm not saying I'd be rude in return, but I'd certainly be sorely tempted.
If you're not proud, if you're attitude is "Fuck the Army", if you're so disaffected with it...doff the ball cap entirely and move on with your life.
In my opinion, even those who hated it should be extended our recognition and thanks, whether it was volunteered or drafted service. There sacrifice meant something on many levels.
There are people in today's all-volunteer military who, strangely enough, feel the same way. Which always perplexed me, for the very fact that they CHOSE to join up...there is no draft today.
Now, while I can appreciate this man's history which explains his feelings, I should hope that he would not return rude behavior to those who thanked him for his service. Most especially since he evidently goes round wearing a Vietnam Veteran ball cap.
If I were to thank him for his service and he were to extend rude behavior in response? Especially while wearing that hat? Well, I'm not saying I'd be rude in return, but I'd certainly be sorely tempted.
If you're not proud, if you're attitude is "Fuck the Army", if you're so disaffected with it...doff the ball cap entirely and move on with your life.
In my opinion, even those who hated it should be extended our recognition and thanks, whether it was volunteered or drafted service. There sacrifice meant something on many levels.
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CPO Glenn Moss
SPC Anthony Schepis - This is true, Anthony. However, they're supposed to be adults and that carries some modicum of responsibility. Which means it's their responsibility to investigate the things they're considering getting into before they leap.
Sadly, far too many don't understand this before becoming an adult in the eyes of the law. This leads to what is commonly referred to as a "reality check". Some people, quite honestly, could do with a reality check.
When I was still in the Navy, I used to tell the people who hated it that they're missing out on some very good points, and if they don't come to grips with that, then they'll be sadly disappointed wherever life takes them after the Navy.
First of all, if they think the Navy (Army, Marines, whatever) sucks because (fill in the blank), they need to realize that the civilian world is not any better. People are people wherever you go, and *ssholes abound in civilian life as well.
Second, love it or hate it, the military has a lot of benefits. Failing to understand this, and take advantage of them while you're in, is simply shooting yourself in the foot. Take all the schools you can get. Qualify everything you can qualify at. Advance as far as you can. Pick an apprenticeship program and finish it. MAKE the military pay you as much as you can get them to pay you. Because all the experiences and education you can get costs time and money in the real world. You might as well make it work for you while you're in.
And lastly, don't screw up on your discharge. Being honorably discharged is a powerful tool when seeking employment.
Sadly, far too many don't understand this before becoming an adult in the eyes of the law. This leads to what is commonly referred to as a "reality check". Some people, quite honestly, could do with a reality check.
When I was still in the Navy, I used to tell the people who hated it that they're missing out on some very good points, and if they don't come to grips with that, then they'll be sadly disappointed wherever life takes them after the Navy.
First of all, if they think the Navy (Army, Marines, whatever) sucks because (fill in the blank), they need to realize that the civilian world is not any better. People are people wherever you go, and *ssholes abound in civilian life as well.
Second, love it or hate it, the military has a lot of benefits. Failing to understand this, and take advantage of them while you're in, is simply shooting yourself in the foot. Take all the schools you can get. Qualify everything you can qualify at. Advance as far as you can. Pick an apprenticeship program and finish it. MAKE the military pay you as much as you can get them to pay you. Because all the experiences and education you can get costs time and money in the real world. You might as well make it work for you while you're in.
And lastly, don't screw up on your discharge. Being honorably discharged is a powerful tool when seeking employment.
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SPC Anthony Schepis
CPO Glenn Moss you make some good points but I have to had some things to them. The first is when this guy joined it wasn't like today where you can go on forums and find out about alot of the bad stuff in the military that the recruiter didn't tell you. Obviously all jobs come with bad people and tasks but for service members they can't just walk away from their military contract and move on. I think this makes people bitter because they get stuck with a job that they have no interest in anymore and can't leave. Most community colleges are cheap and you can get jump started in the civilian sector quicker taking this route. I remember before we deployed leadership told us we would have plenty of time for school but we didn't. Honestly I think military benefits are overrated. Civilian jobs pay more than what service members make for base pay, this allows them to afford benefits just like in military. Also most military jobs (definitely not Army) don't bring any skills for civilians sector so you have to start from the lowest level unless you got an education while in the military.
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CPO Glenn Moss
SPC Anthony Schepis - Indeed, Anthony. But keep in mind that I was primarily addressing people who chose to enter an all-voluntary military when I was talking about that.
The military is not for everybody. And sometimes people find this out after they've obligated themselves. Well, them's the breaks and you deal with it the best you can while working to place yourself in as good a position as possible when you leave. Or at least, that's what people SHOULD do.
People who don't want to be in the military should complete their obligations and move on with their lives. Personally, I don't want anybody in the military who feel this way because they truly have no business being there under those circumstances.
As for "military benefits are overrated"...I run across this from time to time. This may be true with respect to individual particulars. But overall, I'd have to say it's most definitely not true. Let me explain.
Civilian jobs are more than just pay. There's the value of their benefits packages, as well. Many people don't understand this, and therefore fail to bargain properly when seeking employment.
Name me a civilian job which, in addition to the regular paycheck you'll earn, includes the following:
- Complete and total medical and dental coverage with no co-pay whatsoever.
- Life insurance of $400,000 for $26 a month
- Non-taxable allowances for housing and subsistence
- Shopping benefits with no sales taxes
- 30 days a year paid vacation time
- Unlimited paid medical leave time
That's just some of the benefits. Now let's pick one and see how this works out financially:
Medical insurance: I assumed $350 a month for a single person. That's $4,200 a year out of pocket for insurance if your civilian job doesn't offer their own health plan or a subsidized health plan. A reasonable deductible on this would be $4,500. Which means the insurance company won't cover anything until you've paid the first $4,500 in bills for that year. This means you MIGHT have to cover about $8,700 a year for medical insurance costs.
Dental would carry its own coverage issues similar to medical coverage, but typically lower rates. Let's call it $350 a year and not even consider the deductible.
Life insurance: Might run you as high as $100 a month for $400,000. Let's call it $75 a month, just for giggles. That's $900 a year.
Allowances for housing and subsistence: BAS currently is $357.55 a month. Call it $4,300 a year for round figures. BAH for an E-1 would be reasonable at $1,100 a month. That's $13,200 a year. That's a total of $17,500 a year, not taxed. Let's assume a 15% tax rate in the civilian world for the sake of argument. That means your job would have to pay you about $20,600 a year before taxes for you to net $17,500.
Now, without talking about anything else, let's add this up what we have so far (assuming no medial insurance claims where you had to pay): That's $26,050 worth of benefits.
TO BE SURE...in the military, these benefits come at a cost that isn't measured in dollars. Time away from home and family. Literally on call 24/7/365. Rotating duty. Deployments. Missed holidays, birthdays, anniversaries.
But it is erroneous to make a blanket statement that civilian jobs pay more, which allows them to afford benefits just like in the military. You have to be quite a bit up there in the civilian world to achieve the level required for the equivalent pay and benefits.
The military is not for everybody. And sometimes people find this out after they've obligated themselves. Well, them's the breaks and you deal with it the best you can while working to place yourself in as good a position as possible when you leave. Or at least, that's what people SHOULD do.
People who don't want to be in the military should complete their obligations and move on with their lives. Personally, I don't want anybody in the military who feel this way because they truly have no business being there under those circumstances.
As for "military benefits are overrated"...I run across this from time to time. This may be true with respect to individual particulars. But overall, I'd have to say it's most definitely not true. Let me explain.
Civilian jobs are more than just pay. There's the value of their benefits packages, as well. Many people don't understand this, and therefore fail to bargain properly when seeking employment.
Name me a civilian job which, in addition to the regular paycheck you'll earn, includes the following:
- Complete and total medical and dental coverage with no co-pay whatsoever.
- Life insurance of $400,000 for $26 a month
- Non-taxable allowances for housing and subsistence
- Shopping benefits with no sales taxes
- 30 days a year paid vacation time
- Unlimited paid medical leave time
That's just some of the benefits. Now let's pick one and see how this works out financially:
Medical insurance: I assumed $350 a month for a single person. That's $4,200 a year out of pocket for insurance if your civilian job doesn't offer their own health plan or a subsidized health plan. A reasonable deductible on this would be $4,500. Which means the insurance company won't cover anything until you've paid the first $4,500 in bills for that year. This means you MIGHT have to cover about $8,700 a year for medical insurance costs.
Dental would carry its own coverage issues similar to medical coverage, but typically lower rates. Let's call it $350 a year and not even consider the deductible.
Life insurance: Might run you as high as $100 a month for $400,000. Let's call it $75 a month, just for giggles. That's $900 a year.
Allowances for housing and subsistence: BAS currently is $357.55 a month. Call it $4,300 a year for round figures. BAH for an E-1 would be reasonable at $1,100 a month. That's $13,200 a year. That's a total of $17,500 a year, not taxed. Let's assume a 15% tax rate in the civilian world for the sake of argument. That means your job would have to pay you about $20,600 a year before taxes for you to net $17,500.
Now, without talking about anything else, let's add this up what we have so far (assuming no medial insurance claims where you had to pay): That's $26,050 worth of benefits.
TO BE SURE...in the military, these benefits come at a cost that isn't measured in dollars. Time away from home and family. Literally on call 24/7/365. Rotating duty. Deployments. Missed holidays, birthdays, anniversaries.
But it is erroneous to make a blanket statement that civilian jobs pay more, which allows them to afford benefits just like in the military. You have to be quite a bit up there in the civilian world to achieve the level required for the equivalent pay and benefits.
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SPC Anthony Schepis
I don't think civilians jobs pay more, I think middle class jobs pay enough for you to get by, just like in the military. If the civilian sector is so bad then no one would leave the military. They both have trade offs but I prefer the civilian sector. I never received BAH or BAS so I don't count those. The barracks were definitely not equivalent to a single bedroom apartment or the BAH rate and I could buy way more food for $357 than what chow hall gave us. I don't need much to get by and I certainly don't need all the benefits the military offers. Like you said these benefits come at a cost of working longer hours, deployments, etc. I personally left the Army because I didn't feel like my job was getting me any skills. That and I didn't like all the regulations. I guess it depends on how long you served and what you got out of it.
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