Posted on Aug 4, 2017
In Trump’s World, Whites Are the Only Disadvantaged Class
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MAJ James Woods
Capt Jeff S. - Yeah and unfortunately the "everyone is equal at the starting line" is still not an undeniable reality. It also means after the whistle is blown the obstacles in the path are based on the path we run not someone intentionally throwing an obstacle to trip you up in order to allow someone else to get ahead. So lets not pretend elements in our society don't deliberately try to hold back others on the basis of skin color, gender, religion, or ethnicity.
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Capt Jeff S.
Likewise let's not pretend others are given special perks and advantages to make up for perceived injustices that they never personally experienced. I've never met a slave or slave owner in my life. My ancestors came to America AFTER the Civil War and settled in the North. Do I owe someone an apology?
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Capt Jeff S.
MAJ James Woods, If the outcome is determined by the effort you put in, then you didn't waste effort dealing with obstacles, therefore it is true equality. Your efforts directly contributed to your outcome.
If someone set up obstacles in your path you would achieve a lesser outcome due to the effort you had to waste overcoming them.... and that would mean that was an unequal outcome -- that is, if everyone didn't have to face the same obstacles.
If everyone faced the same obstacles, then we still have equality. Life is full of obstacles and challenges. Rather than making excuses and blaming others for our poor performance, I think we would be better served by having a positive, can do attitude than a defeatist attitude where you complain that it's impossible to succeed because everything is stacked against you.
If someone set up obstacles in your path you would achieve a lesser outcome due to the effort you had to waste overcoming them.... and that would mean that was an unequal outcome -- that is, if everyone didn't have to face the same obstacles.
If everyone faced the same obstacles, then we still have equality. Life is full of obstacles and challenges. Rather than making excuses and blaming others for our poor performance, I think we would be better served by having a positive, can do attitude than a defeatist attitude where you complain that it's impossible to succeed because everything is stacked against you.
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MAJ James Woods
Capt Jeff S. - So if a White teacher blows whistle and builds a wall in the Black student's lane at 100m mark but nothing in the White student's lane that's acceptable. Teach builds a taller wall at 200m for Black student but again nothing for the White student. Now a wall with glass shards at top at the 300m mark and so on and so on. I'm to believe as long as the Black student overcomes the deliberate racially biased obstacles is still true equality for both runners? Now replace walls with the laws, racial profiling, and prejudices in application practices that have been in our society for generations that impacted minorities, ethnicities, and low income families (to include White families).
Simpler analogy. Five racers (White, Asian, Hispanic, Black, Indian). Ball and chain of different weights put on 4 of 5 racers based on the prejudice of the judge. Same starting line and whistle. Are they truly equal?
No. Your initial race analogy is based on a false premise that doesn't exist in American society. Working middle class works hard as hell only to see the true wealth and opportunity through manipulation of laws and regulations benefit the few. Some work hard and succeed. Some don't work hard at all and succeed. But when someone intentionally holds others back out of prejudice, we have a problem and that's the issue.
Simpler analogy. Five racers (White, Asian, Hispanic, Black, Indian). Ball and chain of different weights put on 4 of 5 racers based on the prejudice of the judge. Same starting line and whistle. Are they truly equal?
No. Your initial race analogy is based on a false premise that doesn't exist in American society. Working middle class works hard as hell only to see the true wealth and opportunity through manipulation of laws and regulations benefit the few. Some work hard and succeed. Some don't work hard at all and succeed. But when someone intentionally holds others back out of prejudice, we have a problem and that's the issue.
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While I am not a believer in "White Privilege", I can say, without a doubt, that blacks, and other minorities, are, most certainly, at a greater disadvantage than whites, in general.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
Agree, and for whatever reason Trump has inspired an attitude with less advantaged whites that they are suddenly more entitled.
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I believe the greater advantage or disadvantage rests in the socioeconomic status of ones parents/parent. I would say income of one's prents is a much better predictor of success or failure. There are times when people do beat the odds and better their situation but it is not all. Being born in poverty regardless of race is the problem.
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SSgt Rob Millard
SFC Shirley Whitfield - According to the Datacenter at kidscount.org... As of 2015, African American children in single parent homes was 66%. Hispanic or Latino is at 42%. Non-Hispanic or White was at 25%. All three numbers are sad!
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Best source for child and family well-being indicators in the United States. National, state, county, congressional district, and city data. Economic well-being, education, health, family structure, and community data. Data by race, sex by age. KIDS COUNT Data Book.
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