Posted on Jul 12, 2017
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs it feels as though we (the military) are leaving the physical aspect of our world in favor for a more social-experiment world. While the boat appear to be righting itself, mainly due to a kick up in the physical fitness craze in the civilian world (never a bad thing), there are a lot of SMs that are in the grey zone.
Hell, I remember a TSgt when I was in. He couldn't go out on patrol because he couldn't fit in the Tahoe or Peacekeeper. He was relegated to desk sgt & had to have a special chair brought in for him. He was just too fat to do anything. They were just keeping him on because he was so close to retirement - at least, that's what it seemed. I don't ever remember having to PT & our testing, at that time, was a freaking stationary bike ride.
Hell, I remember a TSgt when I was in. He couldn't go out on patrol because he couldn't fit in the Tahoe or Peacekeeper. He was relegated to desk sgt & had to have a special chair brought in for him. He was just too fat to do anything. They were just keeping him on because he was so close to retirement - at least, that's what it seemed. I don't ever remember having to PT & our testing, at that time, was a freaking stationary bike ride.
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PO1 Kevin Dougherty
I was USCG, so a full fledged POG, but in the 70s and 80s, we had no PT to think of once you got past boot camp. As long as you met the height weight restrictions you were golden.
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TSgt James Carson
The military used to be a active partner with over weight people in the military. Your unit would allow the individual to exercise during duty hours if needed with advice from the med center. When it called for it, a person could only intake a meal with supervision when they couldn't control themselves. What happened to looking after one another?
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PO2 Richard C.
PO3 Bob McCord - I have also noticed there is a significant difference between stomach muscle and beer muscle. The first one holds things in much better.
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PO1 Robert Kay
I can remember back in the late 1970s into early 1980s (when I was active duty) we had to qualify in PT each year. The Navy was even cracking down hard in evaluations of their sailors who were overweight (especially their Chief Petty Officer, E-7 to E-9). They had to maintain minimum standards. Many were released with 18 years duty. It was no ifs, ands, or buts about it. I have no idea what happened after 1983 when I got out but I was hoping our military was became fit. From what I just read, seems I was wrong. The Joint Chiefs of Staff need to hand down strict physical requirements to stay in the service. And the Senior Officers and NCOs need to make sure those requirements are being met by everyone.
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General George Patton: The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. In order to meet General Patton's objective to KILL the poor "bastard", soldiers have to be fit both mentally and physically.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
Great Quote and you hit the nail right on the head MAJ Alan Reiter M.A. Excellent!
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TSgt James Carson
It's a much softer world now. General Patton would not be politically correct in today's military. The Greatest Generation is just that and today we all suffer from being too soft and cutting corners.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs - The watering down of the military in the name of "Political Correctness" has gone deeper than even the most liberal mind anticipated. By going softer in terminology, doctrine, and standards in the name of "inclusiveness", we have inadvertently allowed the combat effectiveness to slip as well. Our members (in general, exceptions always exist) are softer, less fit, and lack the emotional/mental hardness they need to survive and excel on the battlefield. By replacing "kill" with "eliminate", "render ineffective", or "neutralize", we create the environment where the thought creeps in of "well, we don't have to focus on physical combat skills. The drones and computers will fight for us". Today's electronic oriented society isn't helping that situation. The generations who fought WWI/WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam were used to hard physical labor (ie: gardening, tobacco fields, hay fields, factories, etc). We've lost more than we think as technology advances past the physical labor needs.
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SGT Brian Van Den Broeke
I have to agree with this. I grew up on a farm and know hard work. The Military was getting stupid soft when I got out in '07. I've stood on the red carpet in front of IF for being "too rough" on the new generation. Bunch of pansies.
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PO1 Kevin Dougherty
That was true to a degree even back in the early 70's. I worked through HS as a lifeguard and WSI. I also ran track and X-C. When I got to boot camp the hardest thing for me was to control my bounce when I marched and to run slow enough to stay in formation. That part at least changed my second week of boot camp after I almost beat a kid with a ticket to the Olympic trials. No one had come closer than 3 minutes to him in the inter-company foot race on Saturday. I was within a dozen yards but could not catch him. Never did actually, but our RCC "encouraged" me to go for long runs on my own for PT in the mornings. Fine by me, I was tired of stutter stepping anyway.
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PO2 Richard C.
I worked in the family monument business putting in gravestones summers, vacations and weekends starting when I was 8 or 9. My cousins and I hauled the rocks for the foundations to start, then as we got bigger, we did it all. By 16-17 when we got our drivers' licenses, two of us were setting half ton stones ourselves using hand trucks and know-how. I was a tall skinny kid with more muscle than most of the football players.
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