Posted on Jul 10, 2017
Transgender Men in Women's Showers Must Get 'Dignity and Respect,' Says U.S. Army
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Transgender Men in Women's Showers Must Get 'Dignity and Respect,' Says U.S. Army
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Right Wing: "The military isn't about feelings, it's about doing your job."
Also the Right Wing: "What about The feelings of people who don't like transgenders? How can you expect someone to do their job if there is a woman with a penis in the unit???"
Also the Right Wing: "What about The feelings of people who don't like transgenders? How can you expect someone to do their job if there is a woman with a penis in the unit???"
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LTJG (Join to see)
CPT Swanston, or you could just not worry yourself about what other people look like naked. I personally don't feel comfortable serving alongside a pervert who has nothing better to do than worry about what my genitals look like.
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Capt John Schmitt
LTJG post is so far off reality to be viewed as sarcastic.
It is well documented in the findings of most every study, that gender dysphoria is highly degrading to readiness, morale, order, military duties and conduct. Overall is not within the capability of military services to accommodate gender dysphoric individuals.
Isn't anything to do with feelings; Everything to do with the good of the service, requirements, unit readiness and capabilities. For most GD - transgender, is not an inherent trait so is not a lawfully protectable class. Is not similar or comparable with sexual orientation, gender, race, religion, political persuasions, etc.
Isn't a right or left issue either.
IS or can very likely be an issue with order, decency, bearing, discipline, readiness, capabilities, and conduct. IS a legal issue if a male is using female designated facilities while females are present. Don't really mind what your genitals look like as your response to CPT S. indicates.
As long as displaying your genitals is consensual and anticipated; Is appropriate in the situation/location/facilities being utilized.
Your open display becomes an issue when flaunted, promoted, violates an individual's civil and human rights, is committed during an unwanted - undesirable action, is consistent with the elements of sexual assault, becomes a violation of privacy or decency with a member of opposite OR same sex/gender. Then legal prosecution should be pursued in most cases.
Similar to the protections afforded individuals with the "don't ask - don't tell" policies, if or when an individuals actions and conduct becomes detrimental or unlawful, appropriate command responses are essential. From counselling to prosecution or separation, the needs of the service and lawful conduct must be upheld.
It is well documented in the findings of most every study, that gender dysphoria is highly degrading to readiness, morale, order, military duties and conduct. Overall is not within the capability of military services to accommodate gender dysphoric individuals.
Isn't anything to do with feelings; Everything to do with the good of the service, requirements, unit readiness and capabilities. For most GD - transgender, is not an inherent trait so is not a lawfully protectable class. Is not similar or comparable with sexual orientation, gender, race, religion, political persuasions, etc.
Isn't a right or left issue either.
IS or can very likely be an issue with order, decency, bearing, discipline, readiness, capabilities, and conduct. IS a legal issue if a male is using female designated facilities while females are present. Don't really mind what your genitals look like as your response to CPT S. indicates.
As long as displaying your genitals is consensual and anticipated; Is appropriate in the situation/location/facilities being utilized.
Your open display becomes an issue when flaunted, promoted, violates an individual's civil and human rights, is committed during an unwanted - undesirable action, is consistent with the elements of sexual assault, becomes a violation of privacy or decency with a member of opposite OR same sex/gender. Then legal prosecution should be pursued in most cases.
Similar to the protections afforded individuals with the "don't ask - don't tell" policies, if or when an individuals actions and conduct becomes detrimental or unlawful, appropriate command responses are essential. From counselling to prosecution or separation, the needs of the service and lawful conduct must be upheld.
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The article just uses the slide as an excuse to write a bunch of BS about transexuality, trying to essentially claim the long debunked idea that it is nothing more than a mental disease.
As to the slide itself, the part about all soldiers treating each other with dignity and respect is the key to this whole issue. If soldiers, as they should, recognize and act like each person is a part of the team, and you support your fellow team members, ie. "Have each other's back", then this would create little disruption at all. Soldiers would naturally find a way to make sure everyone was comfortable. It is only those who try to pit soldiers against each other, who encourage soldiers to look at their transgender teammates as the enemy, that espouse that there is an insurmountable issue here.
Just like the predicted great exodus of soldiers and marines from the military never occurred when gays were allowed to serve openly (remember those insisting that soldiers would refuse to shower with gays because they didn't want the gays ogling them?" ) so too will this end up being a tempest in a teapot.
As to the slide itself, the part about all soldiers treating each other with dignity and respect is the key to this whole issue. If soldiers, as they should, recognize and act like each person is a part of the team, and you support your fellow team members, ie. "Have each other's back", then this would create little disruption at all. Soldiers would naturally find a way to make sure everyone was comfortable. It is only those who try to pit soldiers against each other, who encourage soldiers to look at their transgender teammates as the enemy, that espouse that there is an insurmountable issue here.
Just like the predicted great exodus of soldiers and marines from the military never occurred when gays were allowed to serve openly (remember those insisting that soldiers would refuse to shower with gays because they didn't want the gays ogling them?" ) so too will this end up being a tempest in a teapot.
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Gawd Awful Rubbish!!! This article totally misrepresents training and circumstances described.
Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
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SSG Jacey R. - Yes Ma'am, you are welcome. I definitely do not understand the topic or the right way to even start addressing it. As a former BSB Commander, I can see some issues that could eventually arise and just how if handled improperly will cause individual and unit harm. I doubt Commanders will address issues at first and will need a rep at Division or Corps to come in and assist.
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SSG Jacey R.
LTC (Join to see) - I am sure there a some problems that I cannot foresee and will even be handled badly at first. This will all be a learning experience for all. One great thing about the military is the diversity and the experience in learning of others.
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How will commanders address spouses and defendants in on post facilities? Gyms, hospitals, schools, etc. I have given this brief countless times, this is the one concern brought up, and no matter how many times I ask commanders and higher agencies they tell them they will work on it.
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