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CPT Jack Durish
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It's a start. I'd vote for it. Then begin a conversation about replacing Obamacare with a multi-tiered approach. We the People are not a homogeneous group. We have different needs. First, I'd allow the market to develop solutions freely. Then I'd propose a safety net for the deserving poor. Oh, and let's educate people to the realities of life: If they want to take the risk and not provide for themselves responsibly, they must also accept the consequences. No, we won't leave them lying in the street but we sure as hell won't make heroic efforts to put them back together if they won't make the effort to provide for themselves.
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PO1 John C. - You've a point there. IMV, it was meant to fail and be replaced (by the cuckquean and her administration had she not lost) by a single payer health care system.
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Cpl Tom Surdi
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There is no plan in place to procede the ACA. This is a waste of fucking time and resources. Our elected officials have plenty to do besides wasting energy on this single bill. If we are to repeal the ACA there must first be a plan in place to replace it, a plan that benefits all this countries citizens. To repeal and leave it at that is foolhardy.----I apologize if my writing comes off...sporatic and full of errors.... I am on the first vacation I have had in 6 years and have had a bit to drink.
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CPT Jack Durish
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Cpl Tom Surdi - You better keep on drinking. The GOP is attempting to out-Democrat the Democrats and come up with another omnibus bill to "fix" healthcare. The problem is that it isn't their job to fix healthcare. It wasn't then and it isn't now. The free market is the best fix for healthcare. Indeed, since the ACA was passed, the only viable alternatives have been small operators opening private clinics around the US and providing health care on a "cash and carry" basis. Yes, it would be appropriate for the govt to provide a "safety net" for the "deserving poor and afflicted". But healthcare is NOT a right. It is not any of the business of Congress to fix it. If there was something to fix it was broken by govt meddling in the first place.
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They need to fix themselves before they start tackling major issues. Both parties were rejected in the election and neither has figured that out yet. That's why were seeing the frantic actions and failures. They've shifted from taking care of the public to trying to save face. This whole standoff is fun for the media but weakens us as a Nation.
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The one-line bill:
“Effective as of Dec. 31, 2017, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is repealed, and the provisions of law amended or repealed by such Act are restored or revived as if such Act had not been enacted.”

Awesome! Short and to the point. I love it!
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SPC Kevin Ford - True, but during the Obama administration, while ObamaCare was in effect, less than 30% of military-aged Americans were eligible for military enlistment due mostly to obesity.
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SPC Kevin Ford
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SSG(P) (Join to see) - Welcome to the world of computer games and fast food. Not a good combination.
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SPC Kevin Ford - This we can agree on 100%
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SPC Jordan Brown
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Straight to the point and no extra nonsense added. I like it.
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SFC Bernard Walko - The goods and services (medical care and medicine) are for all intents and purposes the same as they are here in the US. Yes, the availability of some of those goods and services can be less then what we have here in the US... I'm not claiming the Canadian system is perfect, I believe a hip surgery in Canada costs around 10K while it costs around 40K here in the US. Perhaps if it cost 15K in Canada, there would be enough to increase the number of doctors who wanted to enter into that practice... I don't believe it needs to be 40K though, just because that is what the market will bear.

You revert back to pointing out how government organizations are so much less efficient than private organizations, however in doing that you once again completely gloss over the hard fact that governments around the world are providing health care far more efficiently (lower cost) and effectively (better outcomes) than our for profit system.

You make some good arguments for reform of how government organizations and employees are managed, however I'm not arguing that vast improvements couldn't be made in how we manage government organizations and people, I'm arguing that we have allowed greed to more than double what we should be spending on healthcare... even though health care outcomes still don't measure up to countries like Canada or Germany. Not only do we have the most expensive system, we also have the least effective system.

The only thing our health care system excels at is making some people very rich at the expense of the rest of us. That has got to change.
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SFC Bernard Walko - If a government official is getting rich, he's likely breaking the law. There is no equivalence to a health care CEO making 20 million a year within the government, or government agencies shaving billions of the top to pay owners/shareholders.

I'm not advocating Marxism, I'm advocating that we run health care the same way that we run law enforcement. I'm advocating for a system that doesn't allow the health care industry to drain the life from the rest of the economy. I have Tricare, it's decent coverage... the type of coverage I'd want every American to enjoy. I have no problem paying more in taxes if that's what it takes to ensure everyone has at least that level of care.

You asked "Why should I bust my ass to pay for a bunch of deadbeats?" I ask "Why should I pay twice as much for a crappy product?" My answer to you is that we are all in this together. Your answer to me seems to be that people will stop working if they have a health care system similar to what every other first world nation enjoys.
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SFC Bernard Walko - What companies? There are no companies, just government activities (government hospitals, clinics, etc...) free to buy drugs and or equipment from the same vendors that sell to Europe or Canada.

I'm talking about a dramatic reduction in spending, not an increase... so I'm not sure how you can argue we don't have the money for it.
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Look at the Finnish system... or if we simply have to have insurance companies, lets replicate the Israeli system. What we can't afford to do is allow health care to continue choking the life out of our economy.
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