Posted on Sep 15, 2016
Missouri Senate overrides bill allowing concealed carry without a permit
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I am a retired Deputy sheriff as well as a Disabled VET and am very happy to see this happen. I have carried concealed, w/o a permit, for years. I however do have my retirement Commission card, they line was always a little gray. Now the need for worry is over, cept for criminals who got no clue is carrying. I will ad I carry my weapon open more than I do concealed.
Missouri Senate overrides bill allowing concealed carry without a permit
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IMO, the only law needed for a person to carry, whether "open carry" or "concealed carry" is the 2nd amendment. Why? The law will not affect whether criminals will or will not carry and it would only restrict law-abiding citizens. It does not affect whether a person will use a gun to commit a crime. It's already against the law to murder a person and this doesn't deter those committed to do so. Requiring citizens to get permits only accomplishes allowing government having the ability to raise revenue and to maintain a database of gun owners. A database of gun owners allows government the ability to lay groundwork for gun confiscation.
"When you take a man's gun, you can take anything from him".
"When you take a man's gun, you can take anything from him".
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Adding to the database is why I postponed taking the concealed carry class for so long.
Then I realized that you don't have to register the pistol, I am registered. I'm already registered as a gun owner because I have legally purchased all my firearms.
Then I realized that you don't have to register the pistol, I am registered. I'm already registered as a gun owner because I have legally purchased all my firearms.
Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
MAJ Charles Blake - "Registration" is a misnomer. Depending on the State, there may or may not be a Registration process for firearms. There is no Federal Registration on Firearms. The ATF-4473 is NOT a Registration form. It is a Transaction Record for an over the counter sale. We do a NICS check based on that. A successful NICS check is purged from the system 24 hours later.
The form is retained by the FFL Dealer until it goes out of business.
-Former gun dealer.
The form is retained by the FFL Dealer until it goes out of business.
-Former gun dealer.
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Cool, thanks for the clarification!
SSG Gordon Holmes
Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS - If you watch some of the hearings lately, the ATF does have millions of records in a database. They allege it is not searchable. But, when Trump was shot the first time, they had the ownership information within minutes. Reminds me of the first Wolverines movie where the first thing an invading force did was go to the gun stores and take the 4473's.
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Just a quick note to clarify....The Senate overturned a veto by the governor and now Missouri is basically "Constitutional Carry" state much like Vermont and a few others. This is a very good thing because honest citizens, particularly the old or disabled, can now protect themselves so long as there is nothing in their past to prevent them from legally owning or using a firearm. Now, while some purists will say we already have those rights because of the 2nd Amendment, the fact remains there are some states and counties which have ordnances which can land the normally law-abiding in legal jeopardy.
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LTC Thomas Tennant
Forgot to add one thing. The only down side of this new law (as I read it) is that if you travel to other states that do require a CCDW permit, you can not carry. However there are states that offer "Out of State" permits that "travel".
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